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re: Wishbone Offense: When do you remember last seeing it in CFB/NFL?

Posted on 7/13/20 at 7:04 am to
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 7/13/20 at 7:04 am to
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How do people view the wishbone versus the diamond formation?

The same double option often applies, but the personnel is a little different with H Back body types.




I am no expert but while both rely on misdirection and baiting the safeties to come down to the line of scrimmage for a deep pass the Wishbone always seemed a more effective inside rushing attack while the flexbone is more about getting speed on the corner.

Obviously you want speed for your wishbone RB, and some power for your flexbone RB, but for the wishbone you really need a back that was physical enough to run that inside trap and iso. For the flexbone its the QB on the midline and pounding away with the fullback that gets the job done in the middle.

I would say the flexbone/diamond is better as a passing formation. It is, after all, essentially a spread with the QB under center (according to flexbone guru Paul Johnson). A good passing QB can tear up teams who are cheating up with their safeties. The problem, of course, is finding a QB who can do everything else you have to do as triple option QB and still throw the ball well.

So the flexbone is better for passing and speed while the wishbone is better for grinding it out between the tackles. It is a question of your personnel.

Army or Navy, for example, can recruit quick players but they can rarely line up and just kick the dog mess out of you. So the flexbone is better for them. Though God help you if your defense has folded because they will pull their WRs and replace them with TEs/Tackles and maul you.
Posted by BamaTide1958
Columbia, Tn.
Member since Nov 2019
743 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 7:07 am to
No NFL team ever ran a wishbone style offense.
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
23710 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 7:08 am to
I don't think so. Pound on a D get them in a package where they have run stoppers on the field then shift to 4 or 5 wides.

But you can't recruit the great players to run such an offense today.If they other guy has better players, he's likely going to win.
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
23710 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 7:09 am to
Richard Todd with the Jets did some Veer stuff in goal line packages.
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
25168 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 8:35 am to
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No NFL team ever ran a wishbone style offense.


Cleveland used the Wishbone against Atlanta in 2018. San Francisco used it the entire game against the Giants in '87 and thumped them 41-21.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
44668 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 8:46 am to
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Cleveland used the Wishbone against Atlanta in 2018.


It wasn't a wishbone. It was a diamond formation they ran for an entire series designed to help Mayfield throw quick passes. The last time they used it was a trick play where Chubb took a sweep right and tried to throw back to Mayfield. It backfired horribly and was easily intercepted by Damontae Kazee.

I was at that game and remember it very vividly. From my seat, I could see that ball was going to be intercepted as soon as it left Chubb's hand. It was about the only thing the Falcons did right that day.
This post was edited on 7/13/20 at 8:48 am
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
4298 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 10:29 am to
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They did in '84 when they finished 79 in scoring defense?

How bout his '85 defense that gave 35 to UF and UT and 27 to FSU? But they were still able to stop Switzer's NC offense...the only ranked team that they held to under 27 pts.

Not all his defenses were created equal.

The major flaw in your logic is you like to cherry pick the best efforts of 11 teams and ignore all their worst efforts.

UT scored 35 on Miami in ‘85. Great. Pretty impressive. Well, they only scored a measly 6 against GT that same year. What happened to them on that day? Explain it to me.

What you’re doing is basically like taking the field vs. Tiger Woods and only using the best effort of the field at each hole so that you’re always getting birdies and eagles and no bogeys and saying, “Okay, Tiger Woods sucks because he can’t beat the field’s highlight reel by himself.”

Seriously flawed logic.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27291 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 3:50 pm to
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But you can't recruit the great players to run such an offense today.If they other guy has better players, he's likely going to win


Agreed,it would be difficult.
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