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re: Why you will NEVER see a 16-team Playoff
Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:26 am to deltaland
Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:26 am to deltaland
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Honestly this year that 16 team playoff would yield great matchups
You'll always have some "good" games because you're still talking about top 15 teams (+1) playing each other. When #5 plays #10, no one says that's going to be a shitacular game.
The difference is whether or not team #5, or #7, or #9, or whatever, deserved a legit shot.
It is along the same reasoning why I'm not a huge fan of conf champ autobids.
Imagine if 2-loss Oregon wins, and UVA pulls off the upset over Clemson. In an 8-team playoff with 5 autobids, the three at-large are going to include Clemson and, at least this year, 1 SEC team and 1 Big 10 team. In the 8 (5 Champ + 3 At-Large), an upset by UGA over LSU doesn't change the field much as UGA was pretty likely to get an at-large bid so long as they stay competitive in the game. A UVA upset changes things a lot. UVA gets in with a similar record and worse SOS than Auburn and worse record than Florida.
People point to the NCAA tournament, and that's a misnomer because for all the conferences, there are 36 at-large bids out of 68 teams that make it (so over half). In order to make it "like the NCAA tournament", you'd have to have at-large bids outnumber automatic bids. To get there you need at least 12 teams - 5 Conf Champs, 7 At-Large. Then the top 4 teams have byes.
Using the current seeds and presuming no upsets in the conference titles games, I imagine you'd get something like this (I presume OU's win over Baylor jumps them to #4, LSU's win over UGA jumps them to #1. UGA falls to #6, Baylor to #11 and Wisconsin to #12.
Round 1:
#8 Penn State vs
#9 Auburn
#5 Utah vs
#12 Wisconsin
#7 Florida vs
#10 Alabama
#6 Georgia vs
#11 Baylor
Round 2:
#1 LSU vs Penn State / Auburn winner
#4 Oklahoma vs Utah / Wisconsin winner
#2 Ohio State vs Florida / Alabama winner
#3 Clemson vs Georgia / Baylor winner
Of course, they may leave the CG losers above those that didn't participate in CGs, but past experience doesn't seem to jive with that.
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Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:28 am to Jambalaya Sauce
In the second round, Why aren't the matchups:
1. OSU vs 8. Florida
2. LSU vs 10. Penn State
3. Clemson vs. 11. Auburn
4. Georgia vs. 12. Alabama
1. OSU vs 8. Florida
2. LSU vs 10. Penn State
3. Clemson vs. 11. Auburn
4. Georgia vs. 12. Alabama
Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:28 am to Jambalaya Sauce
I think 8 is the best answer.
5 conference champs get an auto bid and then 3 at large/seeding can be selected by voters.
A lot of years I believe a 5-8 ranked team can compete with top 4
5 conference champs get an auto bid and then 3 at large/seeding can be selected by voters.
A lot of years I believe a 5-8 ranked team can compete with top 4
Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:29 am to MontyFranklyn
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In the second round, Why aren't the matchups:
1. OSU vs 8. Florida
2. LSU vs 10. Penn State
3. Clemson vs. 11. Auburn
4. Georgia vs. 12. Alabama
They are, whole thread is pointless based on OP.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:31 am to Godawgs4
Get rid of the 2-3 trash games P5 teams play every year. Then, move to a 10 game schedule (maybe 11) with 9 conference games and 1 OOC P5 opponent (maybe 2).
Now a sixteen team playoff would not be too much, and they can give consolation bowls to the rest of the P5 since that's what they have become anyway.
Are 16 teams deserving every year? No. But is it a lot more interesting to see the top 16 play each other than watching the big boys play scrubs every week? Absolutely.
Also, these teams like Clemson will have to earn it. No more freebies. Winning four big games four weekends in a row is tough. It's a game changer for teams that play in conferences like the ACC.
Now a sixteen team playoff would not be too much, and they can give consolation bowls to the rest of the P5 since that's what they have become anyway.
Are 16 teams deserving every year? No. But is it a lot more interesting to see the top 16 play each other than watching the big boys play scrubs every week? Absolutely.
Also, these teams like Clemson will have to earn it. No more freebies. Winning four big games four weekends in a row is tough. It's a game changer for teams that play in conferences like the ACC.
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 11:37 am
Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:35 am to Jambalaya Sauce
An 8 team playoff would eliminate the majority of credible complaints
Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:36 am to Godawgs4
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5 G5 Champions
Stay off the drugs.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:42 am to bbap
8 would be fun....not taking into account movement after this coming weekend:
First round starts two weeks after conference championship week:
First round (quarterfinals) hosted by the highest seed team on campus.
Second round (Semifinals) at a bowl game sight on normal schedule
Final (at a bowl site on normal schedule as last game)
1 OSU
2 LSU
3 CLEM
4 UGA
5 UTAH
6 OKLA
7 BAYLOR
8 WISKY
Round 1:
WISKY @ OSU
BAYLOR @ LSU
OKLA @ CLEM
UTAH @ UGA
Higher seed gets lowest remaining seed but let's go chalk
Semifinals:
UGA vs OSU (Bowl game)
Clem vs LSU (Bowl Game)
Final:
LSU vs OSU (Bowl Game)
First round starts two weeks after conference championship week:
First round (quarterfinals) hosted by the highest seed team on campus.
Second round (Semifinals) at a bowl game sight on normal schedule
Final (at a bowl site on normal schedule as last game)
1 OSU
2 LSU
3 CLEM
4 UGA
5 UTAH
6 OKLA
7 BAYLOR
8 WISKY
Round 1:
WISKY @ OSU
BAYLOR @ LSU
OKLA @ CLEM
UTAH @ UGA
Higher seed gets lowest remaining seed but let's go chalk
Semifinals:
UGA vs OSU (Bowl game)
Clem vs LSU (Bowl Game)
Final:
LSU vs OSU (Bowl Game)
Posted on 12/4/19 at 12:00 pm to Jambalaya Sauce
No more than 6. 1 & 2 get a bye.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 12:01 pm to Jambalaya Sauce
LMAO this years Bama without Tua would be a speed bump for OSU genius
Posted on 12/4/19 at 12:06 pm to Taurus 357
OP Is a dumbass for thinking all 5 SEC teams will will 1st round. You guys must really take anything Finebaum says at face value.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 12:07 pm to GobyGator
FBS teams play 13 games prior to the playoffs because of Conference championship games. FCS teams play 12 games. Thus FBS teams would play 17 games if they made the finals.
The rigors of playing in the FBS are much greater. Your opponents are bigger, faster, stronger than their counterparts in the FCS.
Regardless, do you think any teams from 11 to 16 is making a run to a title. It’s laughable. If the 2018 Peach Bowl were a quarterfinal between UCF and Auburn to you seriously think Auburn would have taken that game lightly. Even so, does UCF advance the following two weeks. You remember them? UCF was the rightful Champs over Bama in 17!
The rigors of playing in the FBS are much greater. Your opponents are bigger, faster, stronger than their counterparts in the FCS.
Regardless, do you think any teams from 11 to 16 is making a run to a title. It’s laughable. If the 2018 Peach Bowl were a quarterfinal between UCF and Auburn to you seriously think Auburn would have taken that game lightly. Even so, does UCF advance the following two weeks. You remember them? UCF was the rightful Champs over Bama in 17!
Posted on 12/4/19 at 12:40 pm to Jambalaya Sauce
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First Round:
1. Ohio State vs 16. Iowa
3. Clemson vs 14. Michigan
5. Utah vs 12. Bama
7. Baylor vs 10. Penn State
8. Wisconsin vs 9. Florida
6. Oklahoma vs. 11. Auburn
4. Georgia vs 13. Oregon
2. LSU vs. 15. Notre Dame
WOW that looks attractive since every team would have at least a small chance for the Football Final Four. MUCH MUCH better than seeing #5-16 in bowls. I probably won't watch the non-SEC NY6 bowls but I'd watch every one of those 16-team playoff games.
I don't think non-SEC fans would be nearly as anti-SEC if three SEC teams beat others to get to the Football Final Four. Just like it wasn't a big deal when two Big East teams were in the basketball finals or if three ACC teams were to make the basketball Final Four.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 12:56 pm to Godawgs4
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5 G5 Champions
Posted on 12/4/19 at 1:07 pm to i am dan
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You can say there's not 65/66 teams in college basketball worthy of playing for a championship, but look how much damn fun that is. I say go to 8 teams and it'll be good. It's not all about them all being worthy either. It's about watching good postseason games along the way. Too many times, bowl matchups are bad.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 1:53 pm to Glorious
Have an 8 team playoff with all 8 Conference champions. Eliminate the Independents
Posted on 12/4/19 at 1:53 pm to JohnnyU
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FBS teams play 13 games prior to the playoffs because of Conference championship games. FCS teams play 12 games. Thus FBS teams would play 17 games if they made the finals.
The rigors of playing in the FBS are much greater. Your opponents are bigger, faster, stronger than their counterparts in the FCS.
Very good points. But I would counter that with shortening the regular season to 10 games like CFB used to be. Then format the bye weeks in between
Posted on 12/4/19 at 2:01 pm to Jambalaya Sauce
16 is too many but I've always believed that 8 makes sense; 5 P5 champions and 3 at large, with any non P-5 undefeated teams getting an automatic bid.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 2:23 pm to VFL1800FPD
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There are not 16 teams worthy of playing for a championship every year.
Only in college football do you see this kind of argument. 16 is the perfect amount of teams. It allows an undefeated Appalachian State kind of team to compete for the championship. If you lose to that team YOUR TEAM is not worthy of the championship. Most of the time it will be a blow out but it will be ridiculously fun to see the upsets. It's always fun when Wild Card teams win it all in baseball or football, using your logic tho, those teams don't "deserve" to compete for the championship. What a joke. Only elitists of big brand name programs want to keep it at 4 it should be 8 at minimum. Give the fans what they want. Give us 16 teams.
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 12/4/19 at 4:06 pm to Jambalaya Sauce
Honestly, I believe that if you increase the playoff, you go to eight. Take the power five Conference champs (incentivizes conference championships more/again) then take the next top ranked three not already in or who didn’t win their conference—that gives the group of five schools and independents a fighting chance.
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