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re: Why can’t Missou break through???

Posted on 10/30/25 at 8:51 pm to
Posted by Glorious
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Posted on 10/30/25 at 8:51 pm to
I contend that even with pro teams, LSU, Ohio State, and Georgia are THE teams in their states.

The Cardinals are the biggest show in Missouri
Posted by Sarcastro
Member since May 2012
1785 posts
Posted on 10/30/25 at 8:55 pm to
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I thought they're just above .500 all time.
My question is how do they play so well with so little talent? They've been having multiple 10 win seasons since joining the SEC. Every time I write them off as a bottom dweller, they come right back shattering my expectations.


with pinkel, it was having great players at qb, de, and finding plenty of diamonds in the rough that weren't recruited much. aldon smith was a two star from kansas city that weighed like 200 pounds of high school. he went on to have like 11 sacks and 20 tfl his redshirt freshman season, got drafted in the first round, and had like 35 sacks his first two seasons before his love of partying and automatic weapons derailed his nfl career. we never had fantastic overall depth, so we'd still get exposed against elite teams with rosters full of blue chippers like oklahoma in 2007. we'd get bullied on the line in the second half against a lot of elite teams

with nil and the portal, eli's teams have a ton of talent, and he has done an excellent job at hitting on transfer players. i don't know if anybody has put together a rating for that, but drink has to be as good as anybody at getting production out of transfer players. we've been good the last three seasons with pretty much game managers at qb

if drink had pinkel's knack for finding superstar qbs, we probably would have won some of these close games against the better sec teams and gone to the playoffs the last two seasons

talking about how we're poor, i wouldn't say that exactly. however, we were finalists with indiana for mendoza this off season. if eli could have convinced some fatcat to cough up however much was needed to pull him, we'd be in a much better spot right now
Posted by TampaTiger87
Member since Jan 2024
355 posts
Posted on 10/30/25 at 9:29 pm to
Up until NIL leveled the field, we were always behind because we didn't cheat..(we either didn't, or weren't good at it if we did.) Since then, we've trended towards above competive. Hopefully the future is brighter, but someone told me earlier this year, that our best seasons have been A- results with B- rosters under Drink...and that sums it up..a stud QB can solve most of our problems..just like most other perennial Top 10 teams
Posted by Shamoan
Member since Feb 2019
13200 posts
Posted on 10/30/25 at 9:32 pm to
Big 12 schools big 12.


This post was edited on 10/30/25 at 9:33 pm
Posted by Nasty_Canasta
Canada
Member since Dec 2024
4505 posts
Posted on 10/30/25 at 9:38 pm to
I actually think Mizzou has punched above their weight class. Like other posters have said. They just miss an all world QB
Posted by BurgTiger
Member since Feb 2014
3345 posts
Posted on 10/30/25 at 9:40 pm to
NIL has allowed us to close the gap on talent. We are closing the gap on facilities.

Our QBs keep getting hurt because of our boarder line mentally challenged commitment to the read option. Bazelak, Cook, Horn, Pribula - all 4 starters sacrificed on called QB runs.

Posted by Justme66
Member since Oct 2025
24 posts
Posted on 10/30/25 at 9:47 pm to
From some reason, St. Louis leans more towards Illinois and KC is a KU town.

Not sure why and seems annoying.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/30/25 at 9:48 pm to
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St. Louis leans more towards Illinois


This hasn’t been true for over a decade.
Posted by Tigerfan0318
Missouri
Member since Oct 2018
2281 posts
Posted on 10/30/25 at 10:01 pm to
And another Mizzou thread started by LSU...imagine that.
Posted by Taurus 357
Great Lakes
Member since Dec 2014
5559 posts
Posted on 10/30/25 at 10:04 pm to
Priorities in Missouri are more towards pro sports. Who gives a Phuc? Cardinals are a legacy team in MLB and the Chiefs are one of the premier teams in all of sports
Posted by EZOU
Member since Apr 2024
321 posts
Posted on 10/30/25 at 11:40 pm to
Well, let’s break this down….

- Mizzou was never one of the pay to play cheating arse programs so it’s hard to compete against the cheats ( AND we all know how the “blue bloods” grew their programs, frickn cheats!)
- Mizzou competes directly with successful pro sports teams unlike many poor arse States with nothing but college sports or bottom feeder pro teams.
- The university never invested in the program & now that they do, the results are getting better each year
- Due to lack of investment, 4 & 5 star in-state talent went to out of state universities. There is a ton of high end high school talent in St. Louis especially, as well as KC, that was being untapped.
- Just to name a few obvious answers
This post was edited on 10/31/25 at 6:40 am
Posted by Mizz-SEC
Inbred Huntin' In The SEC
Member since Jun 2013
22294 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 6:30 am to
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This hasn’t been true for over a decade.

As in ever. At least not media wise. It's always been Mizzou >>>>>>>> Illinois.

Gary Pinkel was reticent to recruit St. Louis due to certain high profile people in the AA community's propensity to bash Mizzou if a local kid ultimately wasn't good enough to start. That gave Illinois (and other schools like Ohio State) a foothold to land St. Louis kids.

One of the first things Drinkwitz did was mend fences with as many of the AA influencers as possible and while still not great, with their aggressive buy-in on NIL we've been landing a fair share of local talent.

As others have mentioned the real Achilles heel of the program under Drink and Odom has been the inability to land a top shelf quarterback. Horn could have been that guy and hopefully Zollers is. Until they get a QB pipeline going we'll continue to be close, but no cigar.
Posted by daydreamin
Member since Jan 2014
327 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 7:59 am to
Pretty simple and not the answer you're looking for but...


The officiating. Both the Bama and Vandy games were jokes. Vandy game especially. That's just this year and it's been happening since the big 12 and before. Look up 5th down, kicked ball in endzone, etc. Games that were clearly rigged and the whole world just goes along with.


You'll say I'm a baby and to cry more but I'm way past that. College football like all sports is fixed/rigged however you want to put it.


People want to know why a blue blood job is still better these days? That is the reason.

The past 15 - 20 years technology continues to get better but somehow the officiating in every sport just keeps getting worse? hmmmm

Until officials/refs are held accountable after games with interviews nothing will change. Why shouldn't the press be allowed to question an official on their call?


You asked why Mizzou can't break through? B/c the powers that be aren't having it.










Posted by daydreamin
Member since Jan 2014
327 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 8:04 am to
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From some reason, St. Louis leans more towards Illinois and KC is a KU town.



St. Louis does not lean towards Illinois.


WTF are you talking about? Clearly you're full of sheet.
Posted by Mizzouligan
St. Louis, MO
Member since Aug 2014
2341 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 9:12 am to
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From some reason, St. Louis leans more towards Illinois and KC is a KU town.

Not sure why and seems annoying.


Moronic. Illinois has a very small presence in STL. Mizzou dominates.

KC is split between Mizzou kU and kSt.
Posted by IlliniBuck
Member since Apr 2015
354 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 9:35 am to
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From some reason, St. Louis leans more towards Illinois


No. There are many Missouri fans in Southern Illinois. The Media coverage is mostly Missouri so that is what some people know and follow.

The Big10, Big 12, and SEC all surround Missouri. There have always been other programs cherry picking talent out of the state.

Gary Pinkel and Eli Drinkwitz have had some good overall teams. 2013, 2014, 2023 and 2024 had powerful rosters. It can be done here.

The quarterbacks on those teams were good but they were not Tebow, Tua, Burrow etc. good. That seems to make all the difference.

Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
26767 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 9:37 am to
It isn't easy to "break through."

Boise (State) has had a solid team with good fan support for decades now and hasn't really crossed the threshold into legit powerhouse. Missouri is like an upscale version of that, they have solid money, good fan support, and a not awful talent base to draw on. Which means they are just good enough to be really good and hope the stars align one day.

Despite shoveling the GDP of many small nations into their football program A&M hasn't even sniffed the CFP until this year. It happens.

It also depends on media coverage, lets be fair. It is a lot easier to turn your program into a powerhouse if you are in constant rotation for game of the week. Even if you have great NIL money kids want to be playing in the big game.
Posted by Mizzou Mule
St. Charles County, Missou-rah
Member since Sep 2014
3127 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 10:10 am to
Weak leadership has been a Mizzou tradition.

The absolute worse...Chancellor Barbara Uehling 1978-1987 was a TOTAL DISASTER to all Mizzou athletic programs. She hated sports and cut, cut, cut budgets. It has taken at least TWO DECADES to recover from her budget ax. Campus beautification was one of her important programs. She also wanted Mizzou to be the "Harvard of the Midwest" and academic performance did improve. All kinds of stories...coaches had to beg for money just to go on a recruiting trip. All athletic facilities fell behind the competition.

In the 60s and 70s Mizzou was just cheap. We let Frank Broyles walk for a few thousand bucks to arky. We let Dan Devine walk because we were cheap. Never underestimate just how cheap the German people (not all) can be. Most of that generation have passed on. We are a wealthy state and now the money is flowing.

Mizzou has had some decent head coaches. What Mizzou has really lacked...SEC (Power 5) level leadership above the head coaching level. Programs and coaches needed this support but rarely got it. I believe we are much better now than in the past.
This post was edited on 10/31/25 at 10:14 am
Posted by Zgeo
Baja Oklahoma
Member since Jul 2021
3163 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 10:21 am to
It is because their stadium is so small…..
Posted by theCAW
Polk County
Member since Dec 2023
7484 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 11:43 am to
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The absolute worse...Chancellor Barbara Uehling 1978-1987 was a TOTAL DISASTER to all Mizzou athletic programs. She hated sports and cut, cut, cut budgets. It has taken at least TWO DECADES to recover from her budget ax. Campus beautification was one of her important programs. She also wanted Mizzou to be the "Harvard of the Midwest" and academic performance did improve. All kinds of stories...coaches had to beg for money just to go on a recruiting trip. All athletic facilities fell behind the competition. In the 60s and 70s Mizzou was just cheap. We let Frank Broyles walk for a few thousand bucks to arky. We let Dan Devine walk because we were cheap.


Sounds like Florida under Kent Fuchs as president

And a bit like Jeremy foley with the chepaness
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