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re: What current SEC teams are helped and hurt the most by OU and Texas joining?
Posted on 5/8/23 at 8:15 pm to Boomer Sooner 1890
Posted on 5/8/23 at 8:15 pm to Boomer Sooner 1890
Texas and OU lose the albatross of being in a lesser conference and benefit the most. Remaining SEC teams recruit better because Texas and OU on the schedule.
Everyone in the new SEC wins a bit.
College football as a whole loses -- hopefully just in the short term.
Everyone in the new SEC wins a bit.
College football as a whole loses -- hopefully just in the short term.
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Posted on 5/8/23 at 9:09 pm to MillerLiteTime
We'll see
Oklahoma is an interesting question. My perception is they and Texas were viewed by many recruits as the major options in most of what was a Big 12 oriented Texas.
Which is to argue four and five star recruits were more likely to look at Texas and Oklahoma than TCU, Tech, Baylor, Houston etc.
So while I think teams like Arkansas and Missouri (assuming they play Texas and Oklahoma every year) probably gain at the expense of the Baylor types? The big question at the top of the recruiting heap is whether the increased frequency of games between A&M, Texas, and Oklahoma and the likes of Alabama, Georgia, and LSU makes the elite talent more interested in staying in Texas or more interested in going to a SEC powerhouse.
I wonder about Oklahoma being more easily losing out on the big NIL or PR recruiting battles when they aren't in Texas and they have gone a long time between championships
Oklahoma is an interesting question. My perception is they and Texas were viewed by many recruits as the major options in most of what was a Big 12 oriented Texas.
Which is to argue four and five star recruits were more likely to look at Texas and Oklahoma than TCU, Tech, Baylor, Houston etc.
So while I think teams like Arkansas and Missouri (assuming they play Texas and Oklahoma every year) probably gain at the expense of the Baylor types? The big question at the top of the recruiting heap is whether the increased frequency of games between A&M, Texas, and Oklahoma and the likes of Alabama, Georgia, and LSU makes the elite talent more interested in staying in Texas or more interested in going to a SEC powerhouse.
I wonder about Oklahoma being more easily losing out on the big NIL or PR recruiting battles when they aren't in Texas and they have gone a long time between championships
Posted on 5/8/23 at 10:38 pm to MillerLiteTime
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You weren’t stealing elite talent from Texas and OU anyways, but with Texas now firmly an SEC state with multiple Arkansas games played in Texas and Oklahoma as well as Arkansas games on Texas tvs Arkansas should be able to feast on quality 3 and low end 4 star talent from Texas instead of fighting schools like TCU and Ok St for it.
Plausible, but I wouldn't go as far as to say "feast".
Posted on 5/8/23 at 11:55 pm to BurntOrangeMan
We will be fine in the "vaunted" SEC as long as we continue to recruit at the current clip, which should only be helped by the move. Lots of 8-4 type action.
Our alums are going to have to get serious about NIL if we are going to sniff a championship though. Texas isnt the football crazy place we make it out to be. Its become "not cool" to care too much about football and that isn't gonna get you to the mountaintop.
Our alums are going to have to get serious about NIL if we are going to sniff a championship though. Texas isnt the football crazy place we make it out to be. Its become "not cool" to care too much about football and that isn't gonna get you to the mountaintop.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 7:04 am to Ezra Blu Boudroux
Follow your team much do you?
You do realize your Championship teams had 5 players from the state of California, 7 from Texas?
The states of Texas and Florida produce more talent than Georgia.
You do realize your Championship teams had 5 players from the state of California, 7 from Texas?
The states of Texas and Florida produce more talent than Georgia.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 7:08 am to Monahans
"not cool to care too much about football..." Holy smoke, if this statement is true, I can tell you without a shadow of doubt, the move to the SEC will be a death sentence to your program. The reason UGA is on top is because Kirby, the administration and the alums eat, drink, sleep, and most importantly, fund everything football. They have invested into the football program at the expense of everything else in the world of UGA sports. Everything from a zillion dollars sunk into our facilities to a zillion dollars spent on recruiting. There's no other way for a program to be where we're at unless there is a %150 commitment to make the program excel. If that's not what's happening at Texas and Oky, you'd be better off staying in the Big 12....because that's definitely what's happening at the SEC elite programs.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 8:23 am to molsusports
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I wonder about Oklahoma being more easily losing out on the big NIL or PR recruiting battles when they aren't in Texas and they have gone a long time between championships
The State of Oklahoma isn't moving away from Texas. I doubt the best players in Texas are going to decide to go to Baylor instead of OU so they'll play more in front of friends and family in Texas.
OU will largely be the same. Will lose a little more, but games they drop here and there to Texas Tech will be games here and there lost to Ole Miss. Will win more than we lose, but lose to the very best.
OU has been losing out to the bagmen at Bama, LSU, UGA, tOSU, and UO for a long time and that won't change with NIL or the move to the SEC.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 8:47 am to MillerLiteTime
I will wait to see who plays who and the schedule before I say it helps anyone.
Right now, State has to play in the SEC west which has been a juggernaut of national championship contenders since Saban got to LSU.
With the additions of TX and OU, lets see what that schedule brings. Trips to TX more often will get some exposure to HS players for sure for your program but NIL rules supreme right now.
Right now, State has to play in the SEC west which has been a juggernaut of national championship contenders since Saban got to LSU.
With the additions of TX and OU, lets see what that schedule brings. Trips to TX more often will get some exposure to HS players for sure for your program but NIL rules supreme right now.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:02 am to HotRock
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I will wait to see who plays who and the schedule before I say it helps anyone.
Right now, State has to play in the SEC west which has been a juggernaut of national championship contenders since Saban got to LSU.
With the additions of TX and OU, lets see what that schedule brings. Trips to TX more often will get some exposure to HS players for sure for your program but NIL rules supreme right now.
I think this will be less meaningful going forward. Permanent opponents used to matter a lot, but with the new 3 permanent 6 rotating opponent schedule, every SEC team will play a home and home against every other team every 4 years. They'll have two home and homes against the "permanent" opponents.
That means that the difference is just one game at Texas vs two in a 4 year stretch. Not all that big a difference.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:57 am to Darindawg
There's plenty of commitment. I think that poster's point was that Texas doesn't want to let football dramatically overshadow the rest of the athletic dept (even though it already does to a degree) and wants to maintain being winners across other sports as well.
Both the AD and school president were at the men's tennis match this past Sunday.
Both the AD and school president were at the men's tennis match this past Sunday.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 10:08 am to MillerLiteTime
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instead of fighting schools like TCU and Ok St for it
In the old SWC days, we benefited greatly by taking talent that was either overlooked by UTa or just wanted to go away for college without going too far from home.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 10:30 am to Monahans
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Our alums are going to have to get serious about NIL if we are going to sniff a championship though. Texas isnt the football crazy place we make it out to be. Its become "not cool" to care too much about football and that isn't gonna get you to the mountaintop.
This is very true. Football is not what it used to be in Austin. My niece just graduated from there last fall on a full-ride scholarship in one of the honors programs. In 4 years in Austin, she only went to 4 football games. The kids that get into tu nowadays, don't really care that much about traditional men's sports, or sports at all really. I think we are watching the beginning of a long, slow disappearance of traditional sports in Austin. Today's tu grads will not support these sports in another 25 or 30 years when their contributions are what keeps these sports going at a high level.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 11:12 am to NFLSU
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Meh, there hasn’t really been the SEC excitement from in-state kids that Texas fans expected.
Look at last year’s class in Texas as well as this year’s class…it’s still very much open season.
No kidding, hopefully LSU doesn't land all the top Texas talent again this year. 9th, 29th, and 48th last year
Posted on 5/9/23 at 11:20 am to Buster83
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This is very true. Football is not what it used to be in Austin. My niece just graduated from there last fall on a full-ride scholarship in one of the honors programs. In 4 years in Austin, she only went to 4 football games. The kids that get into tu nowadays, don't really care that much about traditional men's sports, or sports at all really. I think we are watching the beginning of a long, slow disappearance of traditional sports in Austin. Today's tu grads will not support these sports in another 25 or 30 years when their contributions are what keeps these sports going at a high level.
This is moronic.
The best home game every year is either Texas Tech or *checks notes* TCU? Oklahoma State? On top of that we've sucked for a decade. Of course these kids aren't camping out to watch Iowa State.
Replace that with a home slate of SEC games and a decent coach and magically you'll see kids a bit more enthusiastic about going to games.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 11:23 am to FlintEastwood
There are plenty of UT students and alumni to support football.
Just because Austin is no longer just a college/government town and can support its other college sports and professional soccer and F1 and all sorts of urban endeavors doesn't mean it won't support football for the near future.
Can't hurt you to fantasize, though.
Just because Austin is no longer just a college/government town and can support its other college sports and professional soccer and F1 and all sorts of urban endeavors doesn't mean it won't support football for the near future.
Can't hurt you to fantasize, though.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 11:46 am to PerrillouxToTexas
quote:October 15, 2022: come watch Texas play Iowa State (who went 1-8 in Big 12 play) at home or go to ACL.
Of course these kids aren't camping out to watch Iowa State.
Probably wasn't the toughest decision for students
This post was edited on 5/9/23 at 11:48 am
Posted on 5/9/23 at 12:00 pm to GeauxTigers1410
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do not think the timing could be any worse for Bama. They will be effected the most but that has to do with where they've been the last 15 years. At the same time they are losing grip of the SEC to Georgia, two programs of this caliber are coming into the conference. I get Oklahoma has not played defense in a while and Texas has been inconsistent but both programs are one great hire away from making a run.
Oh my these tales are just so bad …. Only if you knew …. Both schools actually have what they need now OU was gutted and with top 5 recruiting now and elite 11 winning qb coming in …..going to be serious trouble for everyone in the sec when the young defensive talent is Rdy. Remember other than Bama recently UGA last few season and lsu 2019 class most teams didn’t have the full package of offensive talent like OU had ….. when the defense catches up it’s game over .
Posted on 5/9/23 at 12:11 pm to Chip82
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I told a friend of mine who is an Oklahoma alum that the school will soon regret joining the SEC. The same type of situation that occurred when Nebraska joined the BigTen. Nebraska was a storied program. Now they are a mediocre team that has a tough time recruiting.
2 completely different situations.
Neb was already lost as a football program. OU in the last 5 years has been at or close to top except one fluke year due to LR bolting. Neb has not had a top recruiting class since they left nor before. OU has.
One huge thing is recruiting territory. Neb lost their southern pipeline going to B10, and had none in B10 territory before, so thats why they struggle (and coaches). OU is not losing its recruiting territory but might actually gain. Enough good talent chose SEC team over OU due to conf - and now will pick OU due to conf.
Also not lost is Venables and some staff came from Clemson and had inroads in SeC territory, that is helping already. At worst OU recruits the same but at best they pull more/better due to SEC. Where OU is gaining is defense recruits, due to coaches. Before it was all offense, and new staff is still pulling O, but big gains on D.
Neb has a much harder hill to climb because they are not a good fit for B10. OU fits perfectly in SEC and its going to be fun, even with more losses they will be fine.
This post was edited on 5/9/23 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 5/9/23 at 2:05 pm to OU Guy
Those of you doubting OU are in for a rude awakening ….. not saying we are super elite right now right now but in 2024 the talent all across both lines will be evident . Riley didn’t focus much on defense and when Venables took over there were to many in the middle guys . Since Riley has left we basically only have like 26 older players on roster . That’s Like 75 percent new players learning his system.
. History tells us OU doesn’t fail for long periods of time which is why most consider us the most consistent power of all time.
. History tells us OU doesn’t fail for long periods of time which is why most consider us the most consistent power of all time.
This post was edited on 5/9/23 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 5/9/23 at 4:12 pm to Buster83
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