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What current SEC teams are helped and hurt the most by OU and Texas joining?
Posted on 5/7/23 at 11:03 am
Posted on 5/7/23 at 11:03 am
As a whole, OU and Texas joining is a boost to the conference by further opening the Texas recruiting pipeline to the SEC wide open, especially for 3 and low end 4 star talent. However some SEC teams more than others have grown accustomed to feasting on high end 4 and 5 star Texas talent with a recruiting pitch of playing in the SEC instead of for OU or Texas. That is now gone and I expect Texas especially to again keep a lot of the best Texas talent home, along with OU strengthening its DFW pipeline. My thoughts are:
Hurt the most: aTm (by far), LSU, Alabama, not SEC but also Ohio St
Helped: Arkansas, Mizzou, Ole Miss, Miss St
Hurt the most: aTm (by far), LSU, Alabama, not SEC but also Ohio St
Helped: Arkansas, Mizzou, Ole Miss, Miss St
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Posted on 5/7/23 at 11:04 am to MillerLiteTime
How is Arkansas helped?
Posted on 5/7/23 at 11:13 am to ljhog
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How is Arkansas helped?
You weren’t stealing elite talent from Texas and OU anyways, but with Texas now firmly an SEC state with multiple Arkansas games played in Texas and Oklahoma as well as Arkansas games on Texas tvs Arkansas should be able to feast on quality 3 and low end 4 star talent from Texas instead of fighting schools like TCU and Ok St for it.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 11:26 am to MillerLiteTime
Texas and OU joining the SEC won’t be any different than Aggy when they joined…
They’ll come in and slap a massive SEC patch on their jerseys but they’ll still be the same, soft as shite team that they were in the Big12.
NIL is the only thing keeping programs like Texass and gA&M afloat.
They’ll come in and slap a massive SEC patch on their jerseys but they’ll still be the same, soft as shite team that they were in the Big12.
NIL is the only thing keeping programs like Texass and gA&M afloat.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 11:28 am to MillerLiteTime
They will be as soft as a wee lass running to the help board crying like a despicable little bitch.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 11:30 am to cajunbama
But seriously, did the mods make you remove the teen boy from your avatar?
Or was that Daniel?
Or was that Daniel?
Posted on 5/7/23 at 12:02 pm to NFLSU
Before the Big 12 started collapsing, Texas completely owned the state’s premier recruiting, and they were damn good. The SEC, Clemson, and Ohio St have greatly benefited from a weakened Texas and USC in shite conferences and their diminishing control over 2 of the nation’s 4 premier recruiting territories.
Look what happened to LSU and UGA when they took back their home states. Cherry picking 5 stars from California and Texas is about to not be as easy anymore.
Look what happened to LSU and UGA when they took back their home states. Cherry picking 5 stars from California and Texas is about to not be as easy anymore.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 12:07 pm to MillerLiteTime
Meh, there hasn’t really been the SEC excitement from in-state kids that Texas fans expected.
Look at last year’s class in Texas as well as this year’s class…it’s still very much open season.
Look at last year’s class in Texas as well as this year’s class…it’s still very much open season.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 12:11 pm to MillerLiteTime
LSU will always have a strong presence in Houston and east Texas. Houston is by far our biggest OOS alumni base.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 12:12 pm to MillerLiteTime
I do not think the timing could be any worse for Bama. They will be effected the most but that has to do with where they've been the last 15 years. At the same time they are losing grip of the SEC to Georgia, two programs of this caliber are coming into the conference.
I get Oklahoma has not played defense in a while and Texas has been inconsistent but both programs are one great hire away from making a run.
I get Oklahoma has not played defense in a while and Texas has been inconsistent but both programs are one great hire away from making a run.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 12:13 pm to MillerLiteTime
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Look what happened to LSU and UGA when they took back their home states. Cherry picking 5 stars from California and Texas is about to not be as easy anymore.
UGA success has been about 5 stars from out of state. Over 2/3s of all the five stars UGA has signed under Kirby have been from out of state, most from Florida.
This post was edited on 5/7/23 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 5/7/23 at 12:34 pm to MillerLiteTime
I don’t see a Central Texas program and a program that lives and dies by Dallas recruits hurting LSU’s Houston pipeline that much. They really aren’t huge Longhorn fans over there. A&M theoretically was a harder pill to swallow for the area and we came out of it fine.
I don’t know where the other schools recruit out of in Texas, if they’re pulling from the north or central part of the state primarily, you probably have a point.
I don’t know where the other schools recruit out of in Texas, if they’re pulling from the north or central part of the state primarily, you probably have a point.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 12:36 pm to MillerLiteTime
Maybe in the longer run but UT & OU will initially be exposed for the turds they are. This will push top talent to real SEC powerhouses.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 12:48 pm to NFLSU
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Meh, there hasn’t really been the SEC excitement from in-state kids that Texas fans expected.
They'll have to show some success in the SEC to really cash in. In a similar vein, it's hard to predict how the discovery of flying unicorns in New Braunfels might impact recruiting.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 1:03 pm to GeauxTigers1410
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I do not think the timing could be any worse for Bama. They will be effected the most but that has to do with where they've been the last 15 years. At the same time they are losing grip of the SEC to Georgia, two programs of this caliber are coming into the conference. I get Oklahoma has not played defense in a while and Texas has been inconsistent but both programs are one great hire away from making a run.
Good post. OU got away from defense and fans hated that aspect. Would have more titles with even a sniff of defense once Riley took over.
I think Venables will get the job done. Complete roster and culture churn to get rid of the Riley/Grinch stench. Top 5 class in 23. Last year was a humbling one, going 6-7. But for those only lookimg at 6-7 and not the nuts and bolts its decieving. 4 games lost by 3 points and that just means how close it was to 10-3. Again, 6-7 was the record and that team wasn’t going anywhere. But the close losses showed potential of the future.
This will be a key year. We had Georgia scheduled but SEC canx that due to moving sooner. We have great recruiting momemtum for 24 class as well.
One thing I looked at was the second year (and forward) defensive improvements when he took over Clemson defense. His first 6 years it went: 34, 12, 1, 6, 6 and 2. Thats quite a jump and consistency.
We fans know its not going to be B12 type league amd thats ok. We know its going to be harder. We embrace it and love the games we’ll get to host. You can lose more games yet enjoy the game more, if that makes any sense.
I also think going SEC helps recruiting especially on D side. Lots of good TX D recruits picked a SEC team over OU due to conference. We’ll keep more now. We are also closer to western US than other SEC teams which can help somewhat. Going from Cali to OK vs Cali to FL is a lot of distance difference. Will help us pull a few western recruits.
Anyways, I think those down on Venables will see a new OU team this year. Not a playoff team but vastly improved.
Another note, with expanded playoffs coming after this season, the SEC will get 4 teams in IMO.
This post was edited on 5/7/23 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 5/7/23 at 1:14 pm to OU Guy
What current SEC teams will be hurt the most by OU joining?
Any SEC softball, gymnastics, and golf team will be hurt by OU joining the league. Just ask any SEC softball team currently in the Top 25 rankings.
I am joking, above I realize football is king. Looking forward, very much, to the SEC coming to Norman regularly.
Any SEC softball, gymnastics, and golf team will be hurt by OU joining the league. Just ask any SEC softball team currently in the Top 25 rankings.
I am joking, above I realize football is king. Looking forward, very much, to the SEC coming to Norman regularly.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 1:16 pm to MillerLiteTime
LSU won't miss a step with Texas & OU joining. As mentioned we regularly go into Texas and get players anyway. Louisiana is pretty much locked down and now under Kelly we recruit NATIONALLY better than we have than under any other coach at LSU. LSU is a national brand especially with the NIL stuff now.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 1:16 pm to GeauxTigers1410
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I do not think the timing could be any worse for Bama. They will be effected the most but that has to do with where they've been the last 15 years. At the same time they are losing grip of the SEC to Georgia, two programs of this caliber are coming into the conference. I get Oklahoma has not played defense in a while and Texas has been inconsistent but both programs are one great hire away from making a run.
aTm to the SEC was a huge positive for Bama, opening up Texas recruiting to us but without any major threat to the dynasty. Texas is a different story though and I do think their addition will hurt Bama’s ability to recruit Texas if Texas can show any signs of being a contender. They need a 10 win regular season in the SEC before recruits take them seriously again, but when that happens….
Posted on 5/7/23 at 1:49 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
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LSU won't miss a step with Texas & OU joining. As mentioned we regularly go into Texas and get players anyway.
That’s my point. The teams that are already used to cherry picking top Texas recruits who want to play in the SEC won’t have that advantage anymore. A strong Texas and USC in elite conferences is not good news for out of state teams who have thrived on recruiting those regions the last 15 years.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 2:21 pm to ljhog
quote:bro look at our recruiting.
How is Arkansas helped?
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