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re: What broke Tennessee
Posted on 9/23/21 at 6:14 pm to arp0925
Posted on 9/23/21 at 6:14 pm to arp0925
This is chronological order from January 97-July 02. Every one of these played a part in the eventual downfall of Phil Fulmer.
Rodney Garner leaving for UGA
David Cutcliffe taking the Ole Miss job
Randy Sanders being promoted to OC
Chris Simms decommitting
Assoc. S&C coach Chris Carlisle being hired at USC by Pete Carroll.
Mark Richt being hired at UGA
Losing in the 2001 SEC championship game
Steve Spurrier leaving for the Redskins
Legendary S&C coach John Stucky becoming ill and being forced to resign
Towel waving buffoon Johnny Long being hired to replace John Stucky.
Rodney Garner leaving for UGA
David Cutcliffe taking the Ole Miss job
Randy Sanders being promoted to OC
Chris Simms decommitting
Assoc. S&C coach Chris Carlisle being hired at USC by Pete Carroll.
Mark Richt being hired at UGA
Losing in the 2001 SEC championship game
Steve Spurrier leaving for the Redskins
Legendary S&C coach John Stucky becoming ill and being forced to resign
Towel waving buffoon Johnny Long being hired to replace John Stucky.
This post was edited on 9/23/21 at 6:17 pm
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 6:15 pm to hiremikeleach
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He was the most successful coach y’all have had in the last 13 years
And he ran the program straight into the ground. Guy became known for gimmicky shite and being an a-hole
Posted on 9/23/21 at 6:18 pm to RollTide1987
Fulmer got very lazy and the recruiting map got more difficult as you said as Tennessee slipped into 8-9 win seasons from 10-11 win seasons. I don’t think that has impacted any of the other coaches though.
Kiffin had a top 5 class pretty much locked in when he left that spanned coast to coast. He would have won very big at Tennessee in all likelihood.
Dooley was one of the most incompetent coaches in SEC history and would not win anywhere, but even he signed a couple top 10 classes.
Butch signed multiple top 10 classes and a top 5 class and had two extremely talented teams that he somehow only won 9 games with due to his incompetence in game.
Pruitt was a total disaster who was being shepherded by a total buffoon.
Heupel has inherited a terrible situation and has zero personality or recruiting chops. Zero buzz around the program.
You can’t win in this league unless you make elite hires and Tennessee has failed to do that time and time again.
Kiffin had a top 5 class pretty much locked in when he left that spanned coast to coast. He would have won very big at Tennessee in all likelihood.
Dooley was one of the most incompetent coaches in SEC history and would not win anywhere, but even he signed a couple top 10 classes.
Butch signed multiple top 10 classes and a top 5 class and had two extremely talented teams that he somehow only won 9 games with due to his incompetence in game.
Pruitt was a total disaster who was being shepherded by a total buffoon.
Heupel has inherited a terrible situation and has zero personality or recruiting chops. Zero buzz around the program.
You can’t win in this league unless you make elite hires and Tennessee has failed to do that time and time again.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 6:19 pm to boston vol
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David Cutcliffe taking the Ole Miss job
This is most of it to me. He's a great coach and I don't know how he never had a HC job in the SEC. He should have been offered the job either after Fulmer. But Hindsight is 20/20.
ETA: I don't know what I'm thinking he coached at Ole Miss. For some reason I was thinking he was OC there.
This post was edited on 9/23/21 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 9/23/21 at 6:22 pm to mckibaj
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He should have been offered the job either after Fulmer.
The job was his after Kiffin bolted, contingent on him not bringing his staff from Duke. He basically told Mike Hamilton to go to hell.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 6:25 pm to boston vol
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The job was his after Kiffin bolted, contingent on him not bringing his staff from Duke. He basically told Mike Hamilton to go to hell.
Ah ok. I guess Mike Hamilton was the major reason for the downfall. I hoping Tennessee gets back to winning some SEC championships again.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 6:33 pm to arp0925
As demographics shifted the tight wire they walked in recruiting became narrower and narrower and Majors/Fulmer squeezed every ounce of blood out of that situation to recruit nationally and heavily in the state of Ga.
Richt shut off georgia as a major pipeline for UT, then the carolinas fell, and california dried up.
They needed a coach with strong ties to florida to recruit at a pace to keep up. Or at least a coach that had a pipeline from recruiting hot beds.
Terrible executive management and meddling by powerful boosters made it worse and that continues today.
Dont fire your coach unless you can land someone better...
Miami and Nebraska and maybe USC also suffer this.
Richt shut off georgia as a major pipeline for UT, then the carolinas fell, and california dried up.
They needed a coach with strong ties to florida to recruit at a pace to keep up. Or at least a coach that had a pipeline from recruiting hot beds.
Terrible executive management and meddling by powerful boosters made it worse and that continues today.
Dont fire your coach unless you can land someone better...
Miami and Nebraska and maybe USC also suffer this.
This post was edited on 9/23/21 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 9/23/21 at 6:37 pm to lewis and herschel
Firing Fulmer without a good plan if what to do next and several less than optimal coaching hires.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 6:38 pm to geauxbrown
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LSU…2001
Posted on 9/23/21 at 6:40 pm to geauxbrown
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LSU…2001
If this is true, I owe you a debt of gratitude
Posted on 9/23/21 at 6:41 pm to Pulpwood Patterson
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Firing Fulmer without a good plan if what to do next and several less than optimal coaching hires.
Kiffin was the plan from the word go. Kiffin doesn’t go to USC and the Vols avoid Dooley and Jones. Put Kiffin in Tennessee for 5-6 years even with minimum standards and the Vols job is a top 5 in the country.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 6:46 pm to mckibaj
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He's a great coach and I don't know how he never had a HC job in the SEC.
He did
Posted on 9/23/21 at 6:55 pm to volfan30
This.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 6:58 pm to arp0925
Very simple answer. Bad management. In contrast, Vandy was broke in the 50’s by bad people. The same kind of people running our country now.
This post was edited on 9/23/21 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:19 pm to hiremikeleach
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He was the most successful coach y’all have had in the last 13 years
He was also the biggest failure we'd had in the modern era.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:26 pm to starkvingrad
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And he ran the program straight into the ground. Guy became known for gimmicky shite and being an a-hole
I swear it's like people don't realize that 2017 happened. We were the bottom of the worst East since the East was formed and it was getting worse week by week. It's not like we were 4-8 and plagued by bad luck, either. That team could have easily went 2-10.
The 9-4 seasons were more Josh Dobbs, Cam Sutton, JRM and Derek Barnett than anything else. If Worley never gets hurt in 2014, Jones doesn't make it to the UGA game in 2015. Dobbs saved his arse time and time again.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:30 pm to boston vol
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Steve Spurrier leaving for the Redskins
You would of thought this would of helped them.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:33 pm to arp0925
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What broke Tennessee by arp0925
In Omaha?
Mississippi State knocked them down..
then tagged Texas in to finish them off..
Tag Team Champions
Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:35 pm to arp0925
2 things:
1) buffets
2) reality
1) buffets
2) reality
Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:38 pm to olemc999
The answer is the Tennessee Titans. When an NFL team is close the college teams lose luster. Thats why I want no part of an NFL team in Birmingham!
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