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re: Tua, Manziel, Tebow, or Cam?
Posted on 11/30/18 at 8:58 am to Nguyening
Posted on 11/30/18 at 8:58 am to Nguyening
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if you're going strictly off individual performance based on what they had around them and what they were asked to do:
Johnny
Cam
Tebow
Tua
Winning is CERTAINLY a QB stat, but to me it's a secondary one. They have less control over the game than pitchers in baseball.
JFF elevated a middle of the pack big 12 roster to compete with the best in the SEC immediately. His only position group that was top tier was OL, and his WR were in the upper half of the league. We ran 5 wide and there was a huge drop off after Evans and Swope. Year two we started a walk on, that was found on the WOMENS BASKETBALL PRACTICE SQUAD.
He would have absolutely went scorched earth with bama or tebow florida talent around him.
What? That's a lot of pretty outlandish speculation, IMO. And if you're going to make that argument, I would argue that Drew Lock has performed even better than Manziel given how little talent Missouri has compared to A&M. Yet, I would never argue that Lock is on the same level as Cam, Tua, and Tebow because everyone is ultimately judged on what they did, not what they might have done if circumstances had been different.
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Posted on 11/30/18 at 9:04 am to thirdlawson
Ok, thx
Posted on 11/30/18 at 9:07 am to NATidefan
Tua > Johnny > Tebow >> Cam
Posted on 11/30/18 at 9:08 am to NATidefan
I am not even sure why JFF is in the conversation
Cam though is #1 just because as others mentioned he carried that team. I am not sure Tebow or Tua could have done what Cam did. They should be up there.
Cam though is #1 just because as others mentioned he carried that team. I am not sure Tebow or Tua could have done what Cam did. They should be up there.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 9:09 am to NATidefan
Do you remember those auburn fans who said it was horrible that Jalen lost his job and Saban was an arse for starting Tua?
Posted on 11/30/18 at 9:11 am to NATidefan
Tua is a far better passer, but Cam's size, physicality, and running ability puts him over the top. Tebow would be third. Manziel a distant fourth.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 9:18 am to Papplesbeast
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What? That's a lot of pretty outlandish speculation, IMO. And if you're going to make that argument, I would argue that Drew Lock has performed even better than Manziel given how little talent Missouri has compared to A&M. Yet, I would never argue that Lock is on the same level as Cam, Tua, and Tebow because everyone is ultimately judged on what they did, not what they might have done if circumstances had been different.
Drew Lock isn't even as good of a passer as Manziel. Please take that BS somewhere else.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 9:25 am to Nguyening
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Stats from full years averaged:
Completion percentage
Tua 70.3%
Manziel 68.9%
Tebow 66.4%
Newton 65.4%
Total TDs/ year
Newton 51
Manziel 46.5
Tebow 43.9
Tua 41
Passing Yards
Manziel 3910
Tua 3189
Tebow 2975
Newton 2854
Rushing Yards
Newton 1515
Manziel 1084
Tebow 826
Tua 211
Total Yards
Manziel 4994
Newton 4369
Tebow 3801
Tua 3400
Manziel is 1st or 2nd in EVERY category.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 9:30 am to Nguyening
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Drew Lock isn't even as good of a passer as Manziel. Please take that BS somewhere else.
I never said he was. I said he has performed better than Manziel given his surrounding talent. You should understand this argument since it's exactly the argument you used to say Manziel was better than Cam, Tebow, and Tua. Yet you just don't get it.
If you're looking for someone spewing BS, you should take a look in the mirror.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 9:31 am to Nguyening
Yeah but JFF is dead last in losses and national championships. Fair criticism tbh.
That being said manziel is underrated as a passer on this board
That being said manziel is underrated as a passer on this board
Posted on 11/30/18 at 9:32 am to burdhead
1. Cam
2. Tua
3. JFF
4. Tebow
Cam is the best college football player I've ever seen.
2. Tua
3. JFF
4. Tebow
Cam is the best college football player I've ever seen.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 9:33 am to Nguyening
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JFF elevated a middle of the pack big 12 roster to compete with the best in the SEC immediately.
He had 3 1st round picks on the OL and a top 10 pick at WR.
He wasn't exactly playing with Vanderbilt's roster.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 9:36 am to Nguyening
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Manziel is 1st or 2nd in EVERY category.
Passer Efficiency Rating
1. Tua (204.2)
2. Cam (178.2)
3. Tebow (170.8)
4. JFF (164.1)
Posted on 11/30/18 at 9:43 am to Bill Parker?
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Stephen Garcia
I think he could be up there with Stabler and Namath as all time beer drinkers.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 9:43 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Passer Efficiency Rating
1. Tua (204.2)
2. Cam (178.2)
3. Tebow (170.8)
4. JFF (164.1)
That's not fair. You only cherry-picked one stat. Nguyening cherry-picked four stats!
Posted on 11/30/18 at 9:45 am to Papplesbeast
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That's not fair. You only cherry-picked one stat. Nguyening cherry-picked four stats!
Yea the one stat that is all-encompassing rating of a QB's passing and removes # of passes or mass aggregated stats from the equation always seems to be the one that people want to avoid with Tua.
Weird.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 9:48 am to CoachDon
Cam, Tebow, Tua.
If you include JF then I’d say add a lot of others.
If you include JF then I’d say add a lot of others.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 9:54 am to NATidefan
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Tua, Manziel, Tebow, or Cam?
What kinda offense is my team running? College game or NFL?
But I would generally say:
Cam
Tebow/Tua
Wouldn't touch Manziel. Dude's a mess and a cancer.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 9:55 am to SummerOfGeorge
quote:Yeah, it's funny how that works. People are also quick to gloss over the number of interceptions he's thrown too, oddly.
Yea the one stat that is all-encompassing rating of a QB's passing and removes # of passes or mass aggregated stats from the equation always seems to be the one that people want to avoid with Tua.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 9:56 am to cyde
man these A&M fans really are clueless huh.
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