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re: This is why I hate a Committee making the decisions
Posted on 11/6/19 at 12:21 pm to DawgsLife
Posted on 11/6/19 at 12:21 pm to DawgsLife
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Instead of adding ohio State, why not do the right thing and leave ND out?
Leave an undefeated ND our of the playoff and the next day they join their basketball brethren in the ACC, where they belong. Unfortunately, that would require a more honest perception than just an eye test.
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Posted on 11/6/19 at 12:22 pm to texag7
You are right. But your not gonna win the argument.
People are unable to take off their SEC glasses and watch other teams play entire games... they just watch highlights.
People are unable to take off their SEC glasses and watch other teams play entire games... they just watch highlights.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 12:27 pm to BHMKyle
You fail to mention that Baylor beat West Virginia, Iowa State, and Texas Tech by a total of 8 points. Plus,they beat Rice by only 8 points.
Oklahoma has beaten WVU and Texas Tech by 77 points, with Iowa State this week.
Oklahoma has beaten WVU and Texas Tech by 77 points, with Iowa State this week.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 12:28 pm to bamameister
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Leave an undefeated ND our of the playoff and the next day they join their basketball brethren in the ACC, where they belong. Unfortunately, that would require a more honest perception than just an eye test.
Yeah. I get it and somewhat agree. but ND has not won a big game in eons. At some point somebody needs to say no. But, ND always gets the benefit of the doubt. I get why Alabama and Clemson get the benefit of the doubt. Same for Oklahoma and OSU. But ND has done nothing for an awful long time in a bag game situation and don't play a conference championship game. They sahre a semi-conference schedule with the ACC...let them play in the ACC Championship game.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 12:29 pm to 3rddownonthe8
They need a way to make them vote based on body of work and no names attached. With all this gripping about the teams, Bama is top and has literally not play a single decent team all year. They are there off name only. They are going to have to form divisions to make the playoffs to get a true NC.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 12:32 pm to Rabern57
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They need a way to make them vote based on body of work and no names attached. With all this gripping about the teams, Bama is top and has literally not play a single decent team all year. They are there off name only. They are going to have to form divisions to make the playoffs to get a true NC.
if we are stripping the voters of the ability to watch the games and vote purely on metrics then why would we not use computers?
Posted on 11/6/19 at 12:34 pm to BHMKyle
It's not all about resume but I 100% agree about Oklahoma being ranked too high.
Ohio State at #1 I dont see the issue with really
Ohio State at #1 I dont see the issue with really
This post was edited on 11/6/19 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 11/6/19 at 12:37 pm to Rabern57
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They need a way to make them vote based on body of work and no names attached. With all this gripping about the teams, Bama is top and has literally not play a single decent team all year. They are there off name only. They are going to have to form divisions to make the playoffs to get a true NC.
How would you accomplish that? All these conferences are not created equal. So many variables involved that you can only hope they get the top 4 right. So far, I haven't seen the committee miss. I've seen the #5 team have a legitimate argument but that's to be expected when you have 4 spots. The top 4 all deserve what they got. Fair enough for human work.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 12:39 pm to bamameister
Honeslty I think they should obey do 2 playoff rankings - after rivalry week and then the final one.
So much "controversy" that will all get settled on the field in the next few week.
They could also just go back to BCS formula with 4 teams and I'd be fine with that
So much "controversy" that will all get settled on the field in the next few week.
They could also just go back to BCS formula with 4 teams and I'd be fine with that
Posted on 11/6/19 at 12:41 pm to BHMKyle
Baylor's resume includes close calls to unranked teams. Oklahoma has been dominant in most of their games.
But resume is not the end all be all of ranking. Brand is part of it, but it's also about talent and coaching. That's part of what makes a team "better".
But it doesn't matter because Baylor gets to play Oklahoma which will decide who should be ranked ahead of who, barring any more losses by either team.
But resume is not the end all be all of ranking. Brand is part of it, but it's also about talent and coaching. That's part of what makes a team "better".
But it doesn't matter because Baylor gets to play Oklahoma which will decide who should be ranked ahead of who, barring any more losses by either team.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 12:48 pm to bamameister
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:47 pm to skrayper
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Of course, it doesn't settle the "played an extra game in the conference championship game" issue
Sure it does. Make a rule that you have to win your Conference to be a Top 4 seed. If the first round games are played on campus, it would be a huge benefit to win your conference and clinch home field advantage.
If you sit out playing in a conference championship game, the best you can hope for is being a road team in the first round of the playoffs.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:17 pm to BHMKyle
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Penn State played the tougher schedule, beat OSU head-to-head, and won the BIG 10.
Had you switched the resumes, the Committee still would have put in OSU as a two-loss team and they would have hung their hat on head-to-head results and a Conference Championship.
Ohio State probably had the best OOC win that year in beating Oklahoma in an away game. They beat 3 teams that finished ranked in the top 10 and lost to Penn State on the road in a very close game. And I'm not sure where you're getting Penn State as having played the tougher schedule. OSU's SOS was ranked #6 by Sagarin and Penn State's was ranked #34; Congrove had OSU's as #3 and Penn State's as #12.
Penn State lost to a team that finished unranked and were blown out by a team that OSU beat...no team had been selected with two losses before then or after...
The very next year, OSU was a 2-loss conference Big 10 Champion with a blowout loss to an unranked Iowa team; they were left out in favor of a 1-loss non-division/non-conference winning team with a top 10 loss on the road.
I think the committee has been pretty consistent most years and, had the roles been reversed in '16, I think the committee would've chosen Penn State...
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:42 pm to BHMKyle
This post is so unbelievably misleading in regards to Baylor and OU.
You start a lot of great threads, and do make a couple good points here. That being said, they are not just looking at the K State game when comparing those two teams.
Baylor beat Rice by 9. They “beat” Texas Tech by 3 because the refs missed a call in overtime. They beat Iowa State by 2. They beat West Virginia by 3. If they win out, they’ll be in, but they have not been that impressive so far in relation to the other unranked teams.
You start a lot of great threads, and do make a couple good points here. That being said, they are not just looking at the K State game when comparing those two teams.
Baylor beat Rice by 9. They “beat” Texas Tech by 3 because the refs missed a call in overtime. They beat Iowa State by 2. They beat West Virginia by 3. If they win out, they’ll be in, but they have not been that impressive so far in relation to the other unranked teams.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 3:44 pm to Dawgsontop34
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hey have not been that impressive so far in relation to the other unranked teams.
That's fair. But they HAVE been impressive against ranked teams.... beat #16 Kansas State by 19 points and beat #23 Oklahoma State by 18 points.
Oklahoma LOST to the only ranked team they played. To me a straight up loss is worse than a narrow victory, but call me crazy.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 5:06 pm to BearBait09
quote:We aren't stripping anyone the right to watch the game. We are stripping them of their right to be bias and not see past someone's name when voting.
if we are stripping the voters of the ability to watch the games and vote purely on metrics then why would we not use computers?
Also computers can't work without factoring in previous years. Every year should be determined on the field that year no matter who did what the year before. Bama is where they are purely because other years and not this one. That's unfair to teams that actually play teams and may lose once while Bama plays easy teams just to make the playoff. It's why they were so hyped last year and look what happened when they played someone.
Sports that play in divisions that bracket into playoffs never have teams left out or teams with any argument that they should be number one if they didn't win.
This post was edited on 11/6/19 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 11/6/19 at 5:52 pm to DawgsLife
The system is rigged and not fair if a team like Cut can go undefeated and never has a chance to see if they are the best team. 2 years ago when they went undefeated but we'll never know in this system because they was never given the chance to strap it up and go head to head. We do know that they beat, a team that beat the 2 teams that played for the championship. So anything is possible.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 5:53 pm to BHMKyle
I agree. When they look at the resumes, it shouldnt be attached to a school. Random numbers assigned for each school that way then the committee does the rankings, it's based off nothing but resume.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 6:42 pm to BHMKyle
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It's also the same reason Ohio State came in at #1 ahead of LSU who clearly has the better resume.
Outside of computers all putting Ohio State ahead of LSU, I saw a reasonable post earlier today
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Numbers only between Ohio State and LSU
Ohio State - Opp win% .563 - beat #13 and #20 by combined 80-7
LSU - Opp win% .545 - Beat #10 and #11 by combined 65-48
ETA: I wouldn’t have been upset one bit if LSU was ranked first in this poll.
This post was edited on 11/6/19 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 11/6/19 at 6:46 pm to deltaland
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Baylor/OU will be settled on the field anyways in 2 weeks.
If Baylor beats them and Texas they’ll be where they need to be. I’ll be shocked if they do, they have a lot of very close wins over pretty shitty teams
This. I agree with the OP and Baylor should at this moment be ranked higher than OU. But it will all get worked out. I'll be shocked if OU doesn't blow the doors off Baylor.
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