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re: This is the reason why OU and Texas are coming to sec
Posted on 7/22/21 at 3:14 am to MOJO_ERASER
Posted on 7/22/21 at 3:14 am to MOJO_ERASER
This reminds me a lot of the current mass exodus of Californians to Texas and Colorado. Create a giant shite show with your own stupid arse decisions, complain about said self induced shite show, and then leave and bring the shite show with you because you keep making the same poor decisions.
Gag.
Gag.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 3:37 am to aggressor
If Texas and OU comes over to the SEC, do you believe Texas will have to give up the Longhorn Network?
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 3:39 am
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:39 am to MOJO_ERASER
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This isn’t about money as it’s it about future revenue
I'm at the point where I don't really care, they can do whatever the hell they want but revenue is money guy. So yes, it is about money
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:45 am to abellsujr
quote:To put it in terms many can understand Texas is like a psycho ex. You finally get away, but now she wants back into your life after seeing how you upgraded after the breakup. Even worse, she's bringing her side piece trailer park trash with her.
I am against this move. But I must say I am enjoying this Aggie meltdown immensely. I’ve never seen y’all so tense.
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 6:05 am
Posted on 7/22/21 at 5:49 am to FredBear
Guys I’m going to drop this article here from a Baylor beat writer, he goes into great detail, most informative piece ive read so I’m dropping it here. It’s pretty long but I dropped at least one section below.
LINK
Regarding to votes:
Will the SEC take the pair?
“The remaining question is whether two other schools will oppose the move. Some have theorized that Texas A&M has an alliance with Georgia and Florida to stop expansion. The rationale is that each school has an alliance to stop any other institutions from those states joining the league. Georgia, Florida and Texas A&M want to be the only SEC teems in their states. And maybe some of the other SEC schools will balk at elevating two more programs.”
Regarding grant rights:
“Can’t the Big 12 force Oklahoma and Texas to stay in the Big 12 because of the Grant of Rights?
The Big 12’s Grant of Rights is codified in Big 12 Bylaw 3.1, which provides, “The Grant of Rights Agreement which will remain in full force and effect as to such Withdrawing Member and the Withdrawing Member shall continue to be fully bound under the Grant of Rights Agreement after Withdrawal for the remainder of the term...”
That basically means that Oklahoma and Texas would not be able to claim Tier 1 or Tier 2 (the top television) rights in the SEC until after 2025. The two would also have to pay a buyout fee, which is equal to the revenue that each would earn in its final two yeas in the league.
Some have written that Oklahoma and Texas can deal with this by paying a fee. I don’t think that’s how they deal with it.
The real reason that the Grant of Rights doesn’t matter is because the rest of the league will collapse too. If Texas and Oklahoma leave, then the other conferences will want to expand. Texas Tech would be insane to wait around hoping to legally bind Texas and Oklahoma into the league, and then think that Texas and Oklahoma are staying. Instead, Texas Tech should leap at going to the PAC-12. KU wouldn’t wait around if the Big 10 came calling. The PAC-12 would likely add four teams, the Big 10 would add two and the ACC would add two. While that doesn’t guarantee eight remaining Big 12 members find homes—the leagues could add an AAC team or Notre Dame. Or one of the leagues could decide that it doesn’t want to be a 16 team conference.
If the Big 12 is down to just one or two schools left, then the league could simply dissolves or amend its bylaws. This gets fairly nerdy and legally debatable.
Theoretically dissolving the league or changing the bylaws requires eight votes or 75% of members to change them.
A majority of the conference can vote to settle litigation. Bylaw 1.5.2(a)(6). Dissolution requires 75% (8 votes). See 1.5.2(b). That means six Big 12 schools (a majority) could leave the conference, sue, say “We owe nothing and the league is dissolved.” Then those six members could say, “We agree with the lawsuit filed by those six, and therefore, we concede the lawsuit.” So really I think you’re looking at six votes being sufficient to stop the Grant of Rights payments, not eight.
Now, if Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas State and West Virginia are left homeless, those schools will argue that the departing schools are no longer members of the league because those schools are obligated to provide notice of withdraw. You then get into a very complicated legal debate about Big 12 Bylaw 3.2, which is here.
Basically you’d be left debating when someone withdrew, then who could vote? If Bruce Feldman reports that Oklahoma State is heading to the PAC-12, but Oklahoma State says its had conversations but is not 100%, can it still vote? Given every school is likely to be flirting with other conferences, it’d be dangerous to start telling other members, “Hey, you’re now withdrawn.” That’s also deadly because it means the schools that might get left out would not have the chance to reconstitute a smaller Big 12.”
LINK
Regarding to votes:
Will the SEC take the pair?
“The remaining question is whether two other schools will oppose the move. Some have theorized that Texas A&M has an alliance with Georgia and Florida to stop expansion. The rationale is that each school has an alliance to stop any other institutions from those states joining the league. Georgia, Florida and Texas A&M want to be the only SEC teems in their states. And maybe some of the other SEC schools will balk at elevating two more programs.”
Regarding grant rights:
“Can’t the Big 12 force Oklahoma and Texas to stay in the Big 12 because of the Grant of Rights?
The Big 12’s Grant of Rights is codified in Big 12 Bylaw 3.1, which provides, “The Grant of Rights Agreement which will remain in full force and effect as to such Withdrawing Member and the Withdrawing Member shall continue to be fully bound under the Grant of Rights Agreement after Withdrawal for the remainder of the term...”
That basically means that Oklahoma and Texas would not be able to claim Tier 1 or Tier 2 (the top television) rights in the SEC until after 2025. The two would also have to pay a buyout fee, which is equal to the revenue that each would earn in its final two yeas in the league.
Some have written that Oklahoma and Texas can deal with this by paying a fee. I don’t think that’s how they deal with it.
The real reason that the Grant of Rights doesn’t matter is because the rest of the league will collapse too. If Texas and Oklahoma leave, then the other conferences will want to expand. Texas Tech would be insane to wait around hoping to legally bind Texas and Oklahoma into the league, and then think that Texas and Oklahoma are staying. Instead, Texas Tech should leap at going to the PAC-12. KU wouldn’t wait around if the Big 10 came calling. The PAC-12 would likely add four teams, the Big 10 would add two and the ACC would add two. While that doesn’t guarantee eight remaining Big 12 members find homes—the leagues could add an AAC team or Notre Dame. Or one of the leagues could decide that it doesn’t want to be a 16 team conference.
If the Big 12 is down to just one or two schools left, then the league could simply dissolves or amend its bylaws. This gets fairly nerdy and legally debatable.
Theoretically dissolving the league or changing the bylaws requires eight votes or 75% of members to change them.
A majority of the conference can vote to settle litigation. Bylaw 1.5.2(a)(6). Dissolution requires 75% (8 votes). See 1.5.2(b). That means six Big 12 schools (a majority) could leave the conference, sue, say “We owe nothing and the league is dissolved.” Then those six members could say, “We agree with the lawsuit filed by those six, and therefore, we concede the lawsuit.” So really I think you’re looking at six votes being sufficient to stop the Grant of Rights payments, not eight.
Now, if Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas State and West Virginia are left homeless, those schools will argue that the departing schools are no longer members of the league because those schools are obligated to provide notice of withdraw. You then get into a very complicated legal debate about Big 12 Bylaw 3.2, which is here.
Basically you’d be left debating when someone withdrew, then who could vote? If Bruce Feldman reports that Oklahoma State is heading to the PAC-12, but Oklahoma State says its had conversations but is not 100%, can it still vote? Given every school is likely to be flirting with other conferences, it’d be dangerous to start telling other members, “Hey, you’re now withdrawn.” That’s also deadly because it means the schools that might get left out would not have the chance to reconstitute a smaller Big 12.”
Posted on 7/22/21 at 6:03 am to BigBro
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Perhaps you remember the topic I started..
Why wouldn’t a Texas fan want that? The academic folks want the PAC or B1G.. but that’s not me.
I respect your school and traditions but don’t want anything to do with your leadership, boosters, the culture I see currently on your campus or your historical inability to treat other schools as equals or even with the respect that’s required to engender long term conference stability.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 6:07 am to abellsujr
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Aggies are so consumed with anger atm they can’t even attempt to troll LSU. I always thought they hated us. But now I see true hate.
You don’t yet understand how Texas has operated historically, A&M does.
Everything you accuse Bama of but know deep down isn’t really true about us running the conference and receiving unfair advantages is what Texas is not just guilty of, but is immensely proud of.
They’ve broken multiple conferences filled with schools every bit the equal of LSU or UGA historically due to their selfishness and arrogance.
That’s who would be joining this conference. You’ve been warned.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 6:16 am to MOJO_ERASER
Texas is worthless to the SEC.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 6:43 am to kywildcatfanone
Super conferences are coming. Hate it. Wish we were at 10.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 7:10 am to Tuscaloosa
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This reminds me a lot of the current mass exodus of Californians to Texas and Colorado. Create a giant shite show with your own stupid arse decisions, complain about said self induced shite show, and then leave and bring the shite show with you because you keep making the same poor decisions.
Ha! Exactly!
And I saw you admit to paying the refs off- trying to slip that in. I knew it! Damnit I knew it!!
Posted on 7/22/21 at 7:18 am to aggressor
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I understand why Texas and OU want to come to the SEC but there is no good reason why the SEC should want OU and Texas.
Dallas, SanAntonio, West Texas, the entire state of Oklahoma, Kansas City, MO, and the buying power those markets bring. Adding those 2 schools would put an average of 8 top 15 schools in the running for nearly every major sport. Women’s sports would also receive a major boost.
It’s a no brainer.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 7:19 am to BigBro
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BigBro
This is the reason why OU and Texas are coming to sec
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I understand why Texas and OU want to come to the SEC but there is no good reason why the SEC should want OU and Texas.
I can think of 10 million reasons.. for each team.. for every year going forward..
So you seriously believe that adding the Oklahoma tv market will add 160 million per year to the SEC tv contract
That’s not how this works
every major carrier for the state of Texas is ALREADY paying the highest rates to the SEC of any network to any conference
Posted on 7/22/21 at 7:28 am to BigBro
Texas had those games every year. Arkansas, A&M, Oklahoma. Killed them.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 8:19 am to Old Sarge
Sarge that is the old math, the TV footprint model was for an era when cable tv ruled. Today the model is how many fans does your program have that will pay $50+ a month to watch the games, and we all know OU and Texas have a lot of those.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 8:35 am to EKG
quote:I don’t remember saying it wasn’t a good move. I just remember laughing at y’all acting superior when you left only to achieve the same results. “But hey! We’re not losing to those meanie sips anymore!!”
Ahhh ... so now the SEC is a good move.
Y’all have been telling us differently for a decade; it’s tough to keep up.
It was also hilarious when aggies would talk down to the big 12 when they accomplished next to nothing in the big 12 for 16 years. In any sport. In fact, I’m pretty sure their basketball team was the last team to go completely winless in a conference season
Posted on 7/22/21 at 8:35 am to abellsujr
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This isn’t about money as it’s it about future revenue imo.
So much wrong with this statement.
I'm STILL trying to figure out what that means!
Posted on 7/22/21 at 8:39 am to MOJO_ERASER
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This isn’t about money as it’s it about future revenue imo.
You are a dumb human that thinks they are smart. Sooner confirmed.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 8:39 am to tide06
I would say Bama is 100% guilty of some of that but Texas takes it to a whole new level
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