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re: The worst coaching hires of the past decade
Posted on 6/1/22 at 7:15 am to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 6/1/22 at 7:15 am to SummerOfGeorge
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If UT didn't have Butch Jones they don't have that insanely talented team.
Butch whiffed on local talent like Tee Higgins from Oak Ridge and VOL legacy/Knox Catholic star Amari Rodgers. Trevor Lawrence was leaning Tennessee early on. Butch managed to drop the ball regularly on the recruiting front and he also sucked in a lot of other areas as well. For example, he kept Kamara on the bench and played whiner/pass dropper Jalen Hurd instead.
I'm not saying VOLS would have been amazing, but one could make an argument that he badly mismanaged both recruiting and player development throughout his time in Knoxville, all while selling the fanbase on his "Champions of Life" insanity.
The only thing Butch Jones was ever good for was entertaining internet content.
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 1:06 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Frost isn’t a bad coach. Nebraska is just not a good program anymore. He will rebound somewhere else and kill it.
Meh. Nebraska isn’t a national power anymore, but four straight losing seasons there with decent recruiting classes in that division is not acceptable.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 1:14 pm to Tigerinasia
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Isn’t it crazy that O isn’t on that list?
Wtf? O has his flaws and got lazy at the end, but he won a NC. To say that he belongs on a list with the likes of Chad Morris is the epitome of delusion.
This post was edited on 6/1/22 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 6/1/22 at 1:18 pm to jvilletiger25
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No GusShortBus at Auburn? List is shite. Gus has set Auburn’s program back years to rebuild.
No, a coach with multiple division championships, an appearance in an NC game, a conference championship, multiple NY6 bowl bids, a winning record overall, a winning conference record, and a handful of victories against Alabama does not belong on a list with Chad Morris. However, I can make a very compelling argument that Bret Bielema or Derek Dooley do belong on this list.
This post was edited on 6/1/22 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 6/1/22 at 1:26 pm to borotiger
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Saban would have been on a similar list in 2007
Saban didn't have a losing record in 2007 and he brought in a Top 3 recruiting class in February 2008. Harsin finished 6-7 and brought in a fairly sub-par recruiting class and almost got fired as a result. You could feel Alabama's program going in the right direction in the summer of 2008. Can you say the same thing about Auburn in the summer of 2022?
This post was edited on 6/1/22 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 6/1/22 at 1:32 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Butch is a goof but he went to 3 straight bowl games and won 9 games twice before it fell apart in 2017. Went 25-14 (12-12) and 3 bowl games with 2 Top 25 finishes from 2014-2016. This after Tennessee had gone 12-28 the previous 5 years in the SEC.
Pruitt was worse than Butch. Easily.
People shite all over him because he is a dork but the man has the best record at Tennessee since Fulmer. He shouldn't be on this list.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 1:39 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
In fairness it is easier to recruit when your admin and boosters aren’t actively trying to fire you. It doesn’t account for all the difference but they did BH no favors.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 1:46 pm to psk_Vol
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Treated players and people in his program and everyone else in the Knoxville community like absolute dog shite
They are.
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Dude would even berate the janitors and “teach” them how to sweep the floor properly.
To be fair, Tennessee is such a sorry program that Derek Dooley had to instruct his players to use soap when showering.
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 1:53 pm to TheTideMustRoll
um. I think you have it backwards. UF hired Muschamp from his position as "coach in waiting" at UT. It was USC that hired Muschamp after he crapped out at UF. Its confusing because UF is now on its 4th coach since Urbs quit.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 2:06 pm to JetDawg
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1. CHAD MORRIS, Arkansas (2018-19)
And Gus Malzahn hired this clown as his offensive coordinator. I knew right then that Gus was either oblivious or did not give a damn about his job at Auburn.
This post was edited on 6/1/22 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 6/1/22 at 2:17 pm to Porky
quote:Why not both?
I knew right then that Gus was either oblivious or did not give a damn about his job at Auburn.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 2:22 pm to JetDawg
I agree with this
Posted on 6/1/22 at 2:31 pm to JetDawg
I’ll never forget the cockiness of my Arkansas buddies when Chad was hired and was going to own the Texas recruiting pipeline. Good good times.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 3:50 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Agree - he just wasn't anywhere close to ready to be a SEC football coach in terms of dealing with problems. And those things didn't really start showing up until year 3 or 4 (because in the first year or two they aren't maginified because it's a building stage).
And also, he just didn't recruit any OL worth a shite.
There were very clear red flags in those first two years but they got brushed off by most because of two wins against South Carolina. It wasn't just the terrible OL recruitment, that staff couldn't develop an OL to save their lives. They were even worse. OL, DL and QB are the most important positions in this conference and they were absolute dogshit at developing them. Josh Dobbs had to seek outside coaching to develop at all. DeBord was hated when he was hired but he was the best coach on that staff of frauds. They recruited well but it was snake oil, and that's why it unraveled so quickly. He was a worse coach than Pruitt.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 3:51 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Matt Luke should not be on the list.. Since you forgot let me list what Luke walked into when he took the job... 4 years of probation, 2 year bowl ban, 13 scholarships docked and those are just the ones I can remember. You try and bring in recruits with that baggage, it's not going to happen.. If you ask me he did a pretty good job with the cards that he was dealt.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 3:58 pm to bulletprooftiger
Muschamp was a confusing hire. Mac and Mullen looked like good hires at the time.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 4:00 pm to JetDawg
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3. WILLIE TAGGART, Florida State (2018-19)
Too low. This should be #1. FSU may never recover from that lazy arse hire.
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10. DARRELL HAZELL, Purdue (2013-16)
This one was very headscratching even at the time. Hazell got that job because his 2012 Kent State team had literally everything go their way in the regular season and they found themselves playing in double overtime with a trip to the Orange Bowl on the line. That team wasn't really that good. The lesson here is never hire a coach from a G5 school who hasn't shown he can consistently win there.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 4:00 pm to deeprig9
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People shite all over him because he is a dork but the man has the best record at Tennessee since Fulmer. He shouldn't be on this list.
He absolutely should be on this list, under Derek Dooley we dug our programs grave. Butch Jones threw it in the coffin, nailed the fricker shut, and poured concrete over it. He set us back 10 years at the end of 2016, not to even mention 2017. He fully deserved to be on this list, and if not for Dobbs, Kamara, Reeves-Maybin and Barnett, he'd be coaching at some high school in Michigan right now, having not survived 2015 at Tennessee
Posted on 6/1/22 at 4:01 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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Muschamp was a confusing hire.
Not when Ray tanner is your AD
Posted on 6/1/22 at 4:01 pm to BSherrill
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Helton benefited from the billion dollar sexual abuse lawsuits at usc. If it wasn’t for that he would’ve been fired years earlier.
Not sure why this got downvoted so much because it is the truth.
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