re: The New Big 6

I don’t think you can say “always” in the brave new world of NIL

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The Big 6 has been an important concept in SEC football

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Wrong. It is not a concept. Big 6 is the list of teams in the exclusive club that have won the SECCG.

This isnt a matter of players being alive. Hell half the players today dont care who they play for. This is rankings of programs. When you rank a program you take into account the life of the program, not just a few years. If we only looked recently then Ole Miss is a million times better than Auburn or Florida.

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Why would you put Tennessee over LSU?

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Or UF

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Wrong. It is not a concept. Big 6 is the list of teams in the exclusive club that have won the SECCG.

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Maybe Ole Miss could make the list of teams that made it to the SECCG first. The powerhouses at Arkansas, South Carolina, Mizzou, and — oh yeah — State eagerly await your arrival.

It is and always will be, or at least a long time, Alabama a notch above UGA, Tennessee, LSU, Auburn and Florida. You can flip UGA and Tennessee any given year. The last. The last 3 are, in my mind, pretty well fixed in place.

With Texas and OU in the mix they have to be in there somewhere BUT they ain’t done it in the SEC yet. OU is a blue blood any way you rank them BUT OU has played in some pretty shitty conferences historically…Texas has had less success in similar conferences.

Alabama is the most successful program in CFB and it ain’t close. They have been at the top of a conference since the 30s that has 6 programs in the top 20 of any list of successful programs, most wins, most nattys, most bowl wins, highest winning %….in any measurable manner the SEC has been tougher to win than any conference and fricking Alabama has always been on top. frick Alabama and what not but facts is facts.

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Uh, no

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Will you provide your take on this article from 2010?

Got 12? How Alabama Bumped Up It's Claims To a Dozen NCs

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Wayne Atcheson, the son of a small-town preacher, loves history and his Alabama football. These days, he enjoys serving as director of the Billy Graham Library in Charlotte.

What you might not know about Atcheson is his contribution to Alabama football history.

He is the reason Alabama's media guide claims 12 national titles. He is the reason Alabama fans wear "got twelve?" T-shirts. He is the reason some fans can already start marketing bumper stickers for a 13th national championship, a presumptive move that isn't the first presumptive move in the university's national title count.

Because before Alabama got 12, it only got six.

Atcheson is the former Alabama sports information director who added five pre-Bear Bryant national titles to the team's media guide in the 1980s. Those changes still resonate today with one burning question: Just how many national championships does Alabama have, anyway?

"They can rightfully claim 12," Atcheson said, although others disagree.

The NCAA record book recognizes Alabama with seven "consensus"

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The article continues with this:

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Atcheson said that in the 1983 media guide, he added the five pre-Bryant national titles now listed -- 1925, 1926, 1930, 1934 and 1941. Taylor Watson, curator at the Bryant Museum in Tuscaloosa, said it was actually the 1986 media guide.

This much is certain: The 1982 media guide, the last for Bryant, lists 1934 as the only pre-Bryant national championship, adding it in a footnote of Alabama's SEC history. In the year-by-year results in the '82 media guide, only Bryant's six national titles were listed.

Atcheson and Watson said it's important to put Alabama's claim of 12 in context because other schools have added debated championships, too.

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Followed by this:

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Atcheson said that in the 1983 media guide, he added the five pre-Bryant national titles now listed -- 1925, 1926, 1930, 1934 and 1941. Taylor Watson, curator at the Bryant Museum in Tuscaloosa, said it was actually the 1986 media guide.

This much is certain: The 1982 media guide, the last for Bryant, lists 1934 as the only pre-Bryant national championship, adding it in a footnote of Alabama's SEC history. In the year-by-year results in the '82 media guide, only Bryant's six national titles were listed.

Atcheson and Watson said it's important to put Alabama's claim of 12 in context because other schools have added debated championships, too.

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You and your toothless brethren's hypocrisy is off the charts......

I was at Auburn in the mid-80's and remember this vividly.

I also remember telling my Auburn buddies that I didn't blame the bammers one bit and wished we would also claim some unclaimed, but recognized titles.

In an absolutely, completely unrelated note to this post, my Dad was a QB on Auburn's 1957 National Championship team. Thought I would sneak in a little shout out to my Dad, who, sadly and ironically, passed away in March, 2010....just months before our 2010 NC season began.

I do think you can fall out. But you have to win a title to move up. And not a pre intergration title.

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You and your toothless brethren's hypocrisy is off the charts......

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What hypocrisy?

Auburn fans claim to have "3 times as many national championships as Florida"

But Florida doesn't claim them the same way.

If you want to pit poll titles vs poll titles, that works for me. Alabama will bury your team regardless of what criteria you use.

But stick to the SAME criteria if you're going to compare yourselves to Florida.

As an example, Auburn is claiming that they're just "claiming titles the way Alabama does" except you're not.

If Alabama claimed titles the way Auburn is doing now, they'd have 31.

Do I agree with some of Alabama's claims? No.
Would I compare Alabama's CLAIMED title count to, say, Florida's POLL title count? No, I would not.

Sorry that you wanted this to be an Alabama/Auburn debate, but it's not - it's a Florida/Auburn debate.

Congrats, though, on being the only school to claim not one, but TWO national championships during seasons in which you were banned from playing in the postseason for cheating.

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College football is over 150 years old. LSU has been a better program for only 20 years of that.

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Tennessee fans like to think they were a blue blood before the troubles of the past quarter century, but most of the era between Neyland and when Payton Manning arrived was a whole bunch of mid.

AP Top 25 Finishes 1953-1994:

1. Oklahoma- 32
2. Alabama- 31
3. Nebraska- 30
3. Michigan- 30
5. Ohio State- 29
5. USC- 29
7. Notre Dame- 28
8. Penn State- 36
9. Auburn- 24
10. Texas- 23
11. UCLA- 21
12. Arkansas- 20
13. Tennessee- 19
14. LSU- 18
14. Miami- 18

As you can see, in this 42-season period leading up to Manning’s arrival, Tennessee ranked sixth of now-SEC programs in terms of Top 25 finishes. Also notice LSU is pretty much equal to Tennessee during that period.

Now look at Top 10 finishes 1953-1994:

1. Alabama- 24
2. Oklahoma- 23
3. Nebraska- 22
4. Notre Dame- 21
4. Michigan- 21
6. Penn State- 19
7. Ohio State- 18
8. USC- 15
9. Auburn- 14
9. Texas- 14
11. Arkansas- 13
11. Miami- 13
13. UCLA- 11
14. LSU- 10
14. Georgia- 10
14. Florida State- 10
17. Ole Miss- 9
17. Tennessee- 9
17. Michigan State- 9

Tennessee tied with Ole Miss for 8th most top 10 finishes of now-SEC programs during that 42-year period… behind LSU.

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As discussed they were a better program from 2000-2020 but no numbers support anything else.

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Nonsense. LSU and Tennessee were essentially equals from the 1950s through the 1980s. From 1989-2000, yes Tennessee was much better… But LSU’s accolades from 2001-present dwarf anything Tennessee had over LSU during the 1990s.

LSU is without a doubt the overall better program. It’s not all that close.