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re: Struggling 3 teams of the Big 6

Posted on 1/12/18 at 11:43 am to
Posted by PurpleandGeauld
Florence, TX
Member since Oct 2013
5183 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 11:43 am to
I dunno if "struggling" is really appropriate as concerns LSU. OK, no top 10s in the last 6 years, but ranked in the teens every one of those years but one isn't struggling. Just sayin. :shrug:
Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
8073 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 11:43 am to
I’m glad the down years consist of being a top ~15 program.

Here’s to hoping it gets better not worse. Just need a few more Louisiana baws on staff
This post was edited on 1/12/18 at 11:44 am
Posted by r2d2
Member since Dec 2006
6843 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 11:46 am to
quote:

LSU Final AP Rankings since 2012:

2012: #14
2013: #14
2014: NR
2015: #16
2016: #13
2017: #18


Arbitrarily you left out 2011 for LSU (#2) but included it for UT. Still finishing with these ranking is certainly not stellar.... but it is not struggling either. Not even close.
Posted by jstew311
Grant Parish Meth Lab
Member since Dec 2005
853 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 11:46 am to
Georgia
2013: NR
2014: 9
2015: NR
2016: NR
2017: 2
Georgia has also finished unranked 3 of the last 5 years.
Posted by CBandits82
Lurker since May 2008
Member since May 2012
54188 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 11:46 am to
quote:

How long will this continue?


Honestly we are out of the race for the foreseeable future.

I don't know what the frick we are doing but it sure as hell is not trying to win.
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 11:49 am to
quote:

I don't believe that either of these three teams are in a great position moving forward


This is my point. We have 2 years left in the current decade (2018 and 2019), and unless LSU, Florida, or Tennessee can finish in the Top 10 one of these next two years.... which looks doubtful at this point.... we may complete an entire decade in which three members of the Big 6 only combined for three Top 10 finishes.... with zero of those occurring in the last seven years of the decade.

I'm not sure I can remember a time in which 3 members of the Big 6 were so down at one time.
Posted by SECdragonmaster
Order of the Dragons
Member since Dec 2013
16243 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 11:53 am to
Sounds like OP is trying to feel better about almost winning a title.
Posted by buffbraz
Member since Nov 2005
5677 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 11:53 am to
It would be better to compile a complete list of each teams end of the year ranking from 2000, and 2010 instead of arbitrarily using years that benefit a certain team.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140697 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 11:59 am to
quote:

usf due to thier success.


Wut?
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140697 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 11:59 am to
most people have a drink to mask their pain. Try it.
Posted by Commander Data
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2016
7289 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:00 pm to
quote:

losing fisher at fsu will be a big plus for y'alls recruiting. and I also think mullen recruiting extremely well for msu; why wouldn't he be a good recruiter at UF?


FSU hired another ace recruiter though so it is still gonna be rough to beat them for the elite kids.
Posted by Poker Dough
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2018
8621 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:00 pm to
Tennessee is terrible
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28540 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:01 pm to
quote:

FSU hired another ace recruiter though so it is still gonna be rough to beat them for the elite kids.


Ya, as long as FSU doesn't continue to fall off. I see it getting tougher in Florida.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30267 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:03 pm to
quote:

LSU Final AP Rankings since 2012:

2012: #14
2013: #14
2014: NR
2015: #16
2016: #13
2017: #18
quote:

Arbitrarily you left out 2011 for LSU (#2) but included it for UT. Still finishing with these ranking is certainly not stellar.... but it is not struggling either. Not even close.


+1

I fail to understand the arbitrary number of yrs he's using to measure each programs success or struggles.

He's got:
UF 5 yrs
LSU 6 yrs
UT 15 yrs
UA 10 yrs
UGA 15 yrs
AU 13 yrs
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65054 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:07 pm to
quote:

Georgia since 2002:

2002: #3
2003: #7
2004: #7
2005: #10
2006: #23
2007: #2
2008: #13
2009: NR
2010: NR
2011: #19
2012: #5
2013: NR
2014: #9
2015: NR
2016: NR
2017: #2

so UGA has finished unranked 3 of the last 5 seasons yet you chose the arbitrary number of top 12 to view LSU. Congrats on finally having a good season

quote:

If you go back to 2010: Alabama (8), Georgia (3), and Auburn (3) have a combined 14 Top 10 finishes.... each with at least 3. LSU (2), Florida (1), and Tennessee (0) have a combined 3 Top 10 finishes during the same period.... none with 3. If you look at Top 5 finishes this decade (since 2010): Alabama (6), Georgia (2), and Auburn (2) have a combined 10 Top 5 finishes... each having 2 or more. LSU (1), Florida (0), and Tennessee (0) have a combined 1 Top 5 finish.... none having 2 or more.

now do unranked seasons since 2010
This post was edited on 1/12/18 at 12:09 pm
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65054 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:13 pm to
quote:

This is my point. We have 2 years left in the current decade (2018 and 2019), and unless LSU, Florida, or Tennessee can finish in the Top 10 one of these next two years.... which looks doubtful at this point.... we may complete an entire decade in which three members of the Big 6 only combined for three Top 10 finishes.... with zero of those occurring in the last seven years of the decade.

I'm not sure I can remember a time in which 3 members of the Big 6 were so down at one time.

UGA and Auburn have exactly 1 more top 10 finish this decade than does LSU. UGA and Auburn have both had more seasons in which they finish unranked. Yet you lump LSU in with Florida and UT...

Unless you do top 10 finishes in the last year, LSU has had as much or more consistent success as any big 6 program not named Alabama in any 5, 10, or 15 year time block you choose to use.
This post was edited on 1/12/18 at 12:17 pm
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:28 pm to
quote:

I fail to understand the arbitrary number of yrs he's using to measure each programs success or struggles.


Because it captures the current snapshot of where each program sits today...

quote:

UF 5 yrs


Yes. Florida of the last 5 years is nothing close to the Florida of the Spurrier/Meyers years. It's like two totally different programs at this point. Sure I can include Urban Meyers' national titles by going back a few years, but is that really indicative of where Florida's program sits today?

quote:

LSU 6 yrs


Again, the LSU of the Saban / Early Miles years is light years away from where the program sits with Coach O. It's like night and day. LSU looks nowhere close to being able to put up the type of seasons they did in 2001, 2003, 2007, 2010, 2011, 2012, etc. Those days are long gone. Why include them now if the program is nowhere close to being at that level?

quote:

UT 15 yrs


Yes, UT has been horrible for about 15 years. The struggles really got bad about 10 years, but the Vols started looking bad following the '01 season in which they were looking like they were possibly going to play for the National Title the first week of December. Things have obviously changed.

quote:

UA 10 yrs


So should I add the Shula years to paint a picture of where the program sits today? Do you think that'd be relevant?

quote:

UGA 15 yrs


UGA has been quite consistent every since Mark Richt's 2nd season. There have been some ups/downs... specifically a bit down towards the final years of Richt, but the program really hasn't taken any drastic turns.

Georgia has four Top 5 finishes since 2002 that are all fairly spread out evenly: 2002, 2007, 2012, 2017. Our longest drought of finishing outside the Top 25 has been just 2 years (2015 and 2016), which was answered by playing for the National Title and finishing #2 in 2017.

Again, we've been pretty much in the same state of success since 2002.

quote:

AU 13 yrs


Auburn is a very consistent roller coaster ride, specifically since about 2004:

Top 2 finishes in 2004, 2010, 2013
Top 10 finishes in 2004, 2006, 2010, 2013, and 2017

Since 2004, Auburn has never had more than 2 consecutive seasons in which they finished outside the Top 25.

You can pretty much count on Auburn going through their cycle about every 5-6 years: 1 team that wins the SEC and competes for the National Title.... 1 team with a losing season... another team that has a great year and finishes somewhere around #10... and the other two years they are near the back of the Top 25.

It's actually very consistent. It's where their program is today and its where they've been since at least 2004.... honestly probably even since Pat Dye.
Posted by thatthang
Member since Jan 2012
6776 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:31 pm to
The sequence below is what makes Auburn, Auburn. What other team oscillates like this?


2007: #15
2008: NR
2009: NR
2010: #1
2011: NR
2012: NR
2013: #2
2014: #22
2015: NR
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:34 pm to
quote:

UGA and Auburn have exactly 1 more top 10 finish this decade than does LSU.


And both of them finished in the Top 10 this year... and both should start at or near the Top 10 next year. That's their current state.

It's not the current state of LSU football.

quote:

UGA and Auburn have both had more seasons in which they finish unranked.


But that's not where they are today.

quote:

Yet you lump LSU in with Florida and UT...


LSU, Florida, and Tennessee are all three looking weaker now than what they would consider their norm of the past few decades. And all three are looking like they'll struggle again next season.

Alabama is at the top of the college football world.
Georgia just finished #2 and will start next year in the Top 4.
Auburn just finished in the Top 10 and will start next season right around the Top 10.

It's obvious three of the Big 6 members are currently in a pretty good state while its obvious 3 others are struggling a bit. If you have a problem seeing the difference, I can't help you. But its obvious.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
44874 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:35 pm to
Since 2012 UGA has been worse than everyone except Tenner. I know the future looks bright but things can turn around quickly with the resources Big 6 schools have. Just look at.........UGA.
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