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re: Source - Cochran felt outside sources kept him from going to Ole Miss; sick of Saban
Posted on 3/5/20 at 1:53 pm to meansonny
Posted on 3/5/20 at 1:53 pm to meansonny
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why you shite on someone that gave you an opportunity and paid you well for 14 years
How is Cochran shitting on Bama?
Shitting on Saban. Hinting at someone blocking him at Ole Miss and then saying the Saban told him to sit in on SS practice to get experience, when he had already done that. Anyone with any class would have just said, I took the job for an opportunity to get on the field and at this time Saban didn't have a position open for him. He is trying to be the victim is this situation and it will backfire on him. And I am saying that as not a real big fan of Saban's personality.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:00 pm to Crowknowsbest
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I think Cochran could have felt like he was being held back to keep him in S&C despite his career ambitions
I’ve seen this in my career in IT a bunch, “too valuable to promote”.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:06 pm to skrayper
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This paragraph puts Cochran in a REALLY bad light.
Hell, I work in IT and I've been in IT for decades. That doesn't mean my boss is obligated to give me a job writing code when I've been doing network engineering and server administration my entire life. He would, understandably, insist that I learn how to do it first. From people who know how.
REALLY is probably overstating it, but it was the one section of the article that I keyed in on that put some of the onus back on Cochran. It's tough to know what his involvement is/was/has been. I've seen numerous reports that say he was responsible for running the S/T Scout Team? I have no idea how that meshes with on-field coaching limits, etc... but if it's even close to accurate, it's a little disingenuous to liken it to zero experience in that particular arena.
I think everyone in general is wanting to make the whole situation more than it really is. The guy wanted to do something different. Saban wasn't prepared to allow him to OTJ learn it. Kirby felt that maybe he could do it, and I'm not confident there was a significantly better ST coach available... Kirby has made it clear that he's willing to take chances on a coach he has faith in, but he's also willing to keep them on a short leash (see: Coley) and pull the plug on the experiment if needed.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:07 pm to Dawgfanman
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I’ve seen this in my career in IT a bunch, “too valuable to promote”.
THIS...
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:07 pm to AHM21
This was my biggest takeaway from the story:
This has to be one of Alabama’s biggest goals for the strength and conditioning program.
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Alabama hasn’t been shy about pointing out it’ll be pivoting to a more scientific approach to strength and conditioning that could help cut down on injuries after dealing with a rash of injuries over the last two seasons.
This has to be one of Alabama’s biggest goals for the strength and conditioning program.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:08 pm to Irons Puppet
it's a bad hire
It would be a bad hire if he'd been hired for special teams coordinator at Birmingham Southern or West Georgia College
he's never coached actual football
It would be a bad hire if he'd been hired for special teams coordinator at Birmingham Southern or West Georgia College
he's never coached actual football
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:09 pm to Irons Puppet
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Shitting on Saban. Hinting at someone blocking him at Ole Miss and then saying the Saban told him to sit in on SS practice to get experience, when he had already done that. Anyone with any class would have just said, I took the job for an opportunity to get on the field and at this time Saban didn't have a position open for him. He is trying to be the victim is this situation and it will backfire on him. And I am saying that as not a real big fan of Saban's personality.
Facts dont have feelings.
Saying that Saban wouldnt pull the trigger on a special teams position is not shitting on saban.
Saying that Saban suggested more time in the meeting room is not shitting on saban
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:13 pm to AHM21
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riding Cochran mercilessly in front of staff."
This isn’t surprising, saban is full of little man syndrome.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:20 pm to 14&Counting
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Another low I.Q. Willie fan.....
You hurt my feelings.
On a side note, how long have you lived in Manhattan Beach? After college I lived in Torrance (couldn't afford to live on the beach) for a year and we would always go over to Manhattan Beach. There used to be an Irish Bar by the pier that we went to a lot. Not sure if it's still there, but I would go with a bunch of friends that were Rugby players, so it was always a wild time.

Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:50 pm to meansonny
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Saying that Saban wouldnt pull the trigger on a special teams position is not shitting on saban. Saying that Saban suggested more time in the meeting room is not shitting on saban
Yes it is, it is trying to say that Saban was misleading him to stay in his job by dangling future employment if he got exposure he claimed he already had. Someone also hinted about Saban's behavior in the meetings toward SC.
Then trying to hint that someone tried to kill the move to Ole Miss.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:56 pm to tider04
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So Saban was sick of his production numbers and injuries?
But, apparently still wanted him at Alabama...so he wasn't sick of him at all.
“Saban really wanting him out is so not true,” one source said. “At all.”
Why do Alabama fans have to spin everything. just wish him well and move on. I mean, you guys keep insisting he was pushed out, yet none of you said a thing about it before he left. Once he made it known he was leaving, all you Bammers are out in force insisting Saban pushed him out.

Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:00 pm to DawgsLife
The major injuries that some of the Bama players suffered couldn't have been prevented with S&C. It can make a difference with minor injuries like pulled hamstrings, quad pulls and even some shoulder injuries, but not knee or dislocated hips.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:12 pm to secuniversity
Beginning to think REC and Saban people are the sources. Terrible terrible look for Cochran.
May find it difficult to find a coaching position anywhere outside Kirby. Even as a S&C coach.
His S&C program went down as he became disinterested. And Kiffin didn't even want him on-field. And he was unwilling to learn or participate in coaches' meetings.
Don't cross Saban.
May find it difficult to find a coaching position anywhere outside Kirby. Even as a S&C coach.
His S&C program went down as he became disinterested. And Kiffin didn't even want him on-field. And he was unwilling to learn or participate in coaches' meetings.
Don't cross Saban.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:18 pm to fibonaccisquared
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I think everyone in general is wanting to make the whole situation more than it really is. The guy wanted to do something different. Saban wasn't prepared to allow him to OTJ learn it. Kirby felt that maybe he could do it, and I'm not confident there was a significantly better ST coach available... Kirby has made it clear that he's willing to take chances on a coach he has faith in, but he's also willing to keep them on a short leash (see: Coley) and pull the plug on the experiment if needed.
Exactly. This is such a soap opera. Both guys got what they wanted (Cochran on field, Saban an easy way to hire guys for his new vision without dealing with moving Cochran up or hoping he got excited about changes).
People just want problems so badly between Georgia/Alabama and Saban/Kirby they're willing to blow anything up into a 4 alarm fire.
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:21 pm to 14&Counting
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Could you please just give it a rest. You're trolling every single Bama thread is stale. Get a life and quit shitting in every single thread.
That is his life and it is intersting to see what Bama success does to those who are not emotionally equipped to handle it.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:23 pm to tider04
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Sounds like both parties were ready for a change.
So, you got that conclusion from an article that also said
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“Saban really wanting him out is so not true,” one source said. “At all.”
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:23 pm to AHM21
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Cochran felt outside sources
Smells like Jimmy
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:26 pm to dhuck20
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So, you got that conclusion from an article that also said
There was also the part that said:
"It was part of growing friction between Saban and Cochran that seemed to come to a head around that point."
As well as:
"Saban, meanwhile, had concerns about numbers and results from a strength and conditioning standpoint and wanted tweaks made to the program."
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:27 pm to dhuck20
I don't think Saban "really wanted him out" either.
I do think that Cochran making it clear he wanted to do something else was not exactly the situation Saban wanted as he looked to shift the philosophy of the S&C program led by the S&C coach who would be doing something different than he'd done before.
Did he want him gone? No. Was the situation ideal? No.
I do think that Cochran making it clear he wanted to do something else was not exactly the situation Saban wanted as he looked to shift the philosophy of the S&C program led by the S&C coach who would be doing something different than he'd done before.
Did he want him gone? No. Was the situation ideal? No.
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:33 pm to secuniversity
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Beginning to think REC and Saban people are the sources. Terrible terrible look for Cochran.
May find it difficult to find a coaching position anywhere outside Kirby. Even as a S&C coach.
His S&C program went down as he became disinterested. And Kiffin didn't even want him on-field. And he was unwilling to learn or participate in coaches' meetings.
Don't cross Saban.
Based on the article, nobody else would give him a job other than Kirby to start with.
And based on the teams mentioned, he had already went looking with people he already had a relationship with already while they were at Alabama.
So his options seemed pretty limited already. But with Kirby he landed himself a pretty sweet deal.
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