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re: So what was the defensive scheme that shut down JFF
Posted on 11/5/12 at 11:14 pm to CapstoneGrad06
Posted on 11/5/12 at 11:14 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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That's cause every team you've played so far sans Florida and LSU sucks at defense and can't cover.
Usually what happens is that, because our line is so good, Manziel sits in the pocket for an eternity, the spy gets impatient and rushes upfield. Manziel then takes off and it's 20 yards before another player is in the picture.
We run a double fly, double crossing route play out of a four wide set that clears out the middle of the field. Manziel either hits Swope as he crosses the field or waits for everything to clear and then beats the spy. That stuff didnt work against Florida because they played press coverage and dropped their DEs 3-4 yards off the line to play contain. LSU, who had somewhat less success, played 5-6 DBs every play with three man lines and kept the middle of the field occupied with fast defenders. This was less effective because it still allowed us to dink and dunk with sideline routes and dump off to the backs. We also ran the ball effectively on LSU for over 6 YPC, but we stopped running as soon as LSU scored the first time. Not sure why.
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Posted on 11/5/12 at 11:28 pm to NATidefan
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So what was the defensive scheme that shut down JFF
Nobody shuts down JFF
Posted on 11/5/12 at 11:54 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:really? The offense had 180 or so in Q1. Held h to under 30 yds rushing for the game and made him one demensional. LSU DB's >JM.
Posted by Message Roger Klarvin So what was the defensive scheme that shut down JFF "Shutting him down" means holding him to under 350 total yards. He still did better against LSU than just about anyone, including McCarron.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 11:59 pm to Jaketigger
Yes, really. Manziel put up more total yards on LSU than anyone not named Geno Smith has in the last two years. That is a fact.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 12:23 am to Roger Klarvin
3 down lineman, 1 fast DB spy that can tackle, man defense in the secondary. DEs contain on the exterior and don't push past the QB, blitz up the middle when you blitz.
This offense has seen a bunch of different defensive strategies used against it during the course of the year. One of the reasons for the recent success is that Manziel and Kingsbury are starting to figure out how to deal with the different looks.
Manziel is getting better at making throws, and we are using the RBs much better.
Having said that, we haven't seen the coaching and talent on the defensive side of the ball like we will see on Saturday, as everybody knows.
This offense has seen a bunch of different defensive strategies used against it during the course of the year. One of the reasons for the recent success is that Manziel and Kingsbury are starting to figure out how to deal with the different looks.
Manziel is getting better at making throws, and we are using the RBs much better.
Having said that, we haven't seen the coaching and talent on the defensive side of the ball like we will see on Saturday, as everybody knows.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 12:26 am to Roger Klarvin
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Posted by Message Roger Klarvin So what was the defensive scheme that shut down JFF Yes, really. Manziel put up more total yards on LSU than anyone not named Geno Smith has in the last two years. That is a fact.
How many were put up between midway Q2 and when the game was over before LSU's prevent defense on the second to last drive when the game was over? TAMU had 200 yds the midway Q2. after that nothing until 1 min left in the game. The 78 yd kick off return was not him and they had to settle for a fg. He put it up 56 time threw 3 picks and no tds. That's about a 83 rating. 27 yds rushing.
80 were on the last drive. He also had a shite load the defense took back from him on all those freakin int returns. Southern Miss did the same thing to the slim offense last year while he was at UH with a Heisman caliber QB.
Rewatch the game and see what they did to him. Go watch that beat down of WVU AND OREGON from last year and see the common outcome. Lots of yards and physically beaten by a better team. Mett had a terrible game.
LSU offense or lack thereof is the only reason why TAMU didn't suffer the beat downs that Oregon and WVU did last year.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 12:40 am to Moose Aggie
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Having said that, we haven't seen the coaching and talent on the defensive side of the ball like we will see on Saturday, as everybody knows.
Yeah.
Mett had zero yds passing against y'all with 2 freshmen olineman making their first start. Offense is what enables defense to be great. Lsu did that to Bama for 400+ Saturday. The problem was they got cute. Your defense will be the problem not your offense.
Lacy will pound y'all into submission and Saban will make y'all one dimensional as lsu did. Y'all won't be able to run on them like lsu did.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 12:47 am to Jaketigger
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How many were put up between midway Q2 and when the game was over before LSU's prevent defense on the second to last drive when the game was over?
About 130 prior to LSU's final "prevent" drive (which, if you were watching, wasnt prevent at all. They were blitzing and playing press coverage, but I'll grant you this fantasy).
130 yards over roughly 25 minutes of game time against LSU's defense isn't bad, in fact a whole game at that pace would put a team 50 yards over LSU's season average in yards given up.
Seriously, are you special? And I don't mean did your mother ever call you special, I mean according to the state of Louisiana.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 12:49 am to Roger Klarvin
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Y'all won't be able to run on them like lsu did.
We ran at will on LSU when we tried. Our backs averaged nearly 7 YPC, and LSU never really stopped it. We simply stopped running for whatever reason.
Our run game is the best in the SEC, if anyone can run on them it's us. Will we? I don't know, but we're a better rushing team than LSU is by over 50 YPG.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 1:08 am to Roger Klarvin
He finished with 278. Threw it up 56 times with 3 freakin picks and a whopping COLLEGE QB rating of 83.
If his total for the game was 278 of which 161 was through midway q2. Add 60 for the meaningless drive that ended at 1 min remaining in the game that lsu kept alive with 2 stupid penalties. That's 221. He gave some of that back with those 3 picks.
If his total for the game was 278 of which 161 was through midway q2. Add 60 for the meaningless drive that ended at 1 min remaining in the game that lsu kept alive with 2 stupid penalties. That's 221. He gave some of that back with those 3 picks.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 1:13 am to Roger Klarvin
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We ran at will on LSU when we tried. Our backs averaged nearly 7 YPC, and LSU never really stopped it. We simply stopped running for whatever reason.
37 rushes for a whopping 136 yds. 3.6 ypc.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 1:25 am to NATidefan
Force him to be a pocket passer.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 2:13 am to NATidefan
Once Chavis went to the Mustang Package, it was all over.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 3:12 am to Carson123987
What WR's are considered two of teh top 4 exactly that play for aTm?
Posted on 11/6/12 at 3:30 am to Carson123987
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Kliff has corrected this and will now run it right down your throat with only 4-5 defenders in the box.
I went back and looked at the last three games, when LSU went to a 3 man front inexorably KK didn’t use the RB’s more. No one is sure why. But the offense stalled out over the course of the game as LSU adjusted to the passing game and A&M didn’t switch it up. After that game, the RB attempts and consequently the rushing yardage shot up for Auburn and MSU (I realize there are significant talent differences). But I think the evidence supports it.
In the LSU game A&M had a significant number of 3 man front’s but only rushed (RB’s not Manziel) 20 times out of 94 for a total of 109 yards.
Auburn(without Manziel) RB carries went up to 35 out of 81 offensive plays and generated 256 yards.
Against MSU the RB carries fell to 32 out of 97 and generated 188 yards.
The A&M RB’s aren’t slouches, going into the season it was generally thought that they were one of the best RB units in CFB.
tl;dr When A&M uses its RB’s in the offense more it generates greater offensive productivity.
This post was edited on 11/6/12 at 3:46 am
Posted on 11/6/12 at 8:38 am to NATidefan
Sit back and wait for him to come to you. Dont chase the little sucker all over the field. Stay in your rush lanes. Play tight man to man.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 9:00 am to NATidefan
If Bama takes away Manziel's option to run, he becomes a Freshman qb trying to read a Kirby Smart/Nick Saban secondary. Put a spy on Manziel and let him throw. Eventually, he'll throw a pick or two. Meanwhile, Bama runs the ball down their throat while mixing in some play action stuff. They'll run the clock, win the game and everybody's happy. Well, everybody that counts anyway. 
Posted on 11/6/12 at 9:08 am to DaBama
"The best running game in the SEC." It's easy to look good against a Div. 2 team & La. Tech's defense. Mo State's defense has fallen apart lately & the Hawg's has sucked all season long. You aggies need to understand that 2-3-4-5 games of stats does not mean crap in the SEC. To prove yourselves, you need to line up & play against SEC competition wkend wkout for at least 2 yrs to earn any respect in this league. One year wonders wither & die in this league, just ask AU & Ark to name a few of the most recent examples.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 9:11 am to super egg
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Sell out to stop the run and he will pass all over you. Sell out to stop the pass, and well, you know what happens.
I'm pretty sure LSU shut him down. 27 yards rushing at a 1.8 ypc clip? OOOOOhhh, I guess we really did limit him.
276 yards passing, but he needed fifty fricking six tries. I can 276 yards passing if I threw it 56 times.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 9:15 am to KaiserSoze99
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and USE MAN COVERAGE.
This for the most part, but mix in a zone every now and then to confuse the frick out of him. THat's how we got our picks.
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