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re: So, if the SEC is going to allow transfers to other Sec teams...
Posted on 8/13/16 at 8:25 am to danfraz
Posted on 8/13/16 at 8:25 am to danfraz
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man the SEC might have the dumbest collection of fans of all conferences.....
this was a one time waiver. Case by case basis.
Question for all of you "the sky is falling" folks:
How many SEC FOOTBALL players graduate in 3 years?
How many SEC FOOTBALL players graduate in 4 years?
I anxiously await the I don't think a player should have any rights posters answers
Exactly. The think all of a sudden everybody is going to leave. Why would this make others change their minds and suddenly leave their team? And, as you said...the ONLY reason Smith got a waiver is because Saban granted it. If Alabama fans want to blame anybody, they should blame Saban.
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Posted on 8/13/16 at 8:26 am to CCTider
quote:Because coaches never ever change staffs in this conference, or spend inordinate amounts of time studying opponents film and sideline signals.
There's risk to it, in that you have a senior going to a conference rival, that has memorized your playbook and tendencies.
This is the biggest non- issue I've ever seen. Players should be able to transfer, period.
This post was edited on 8/13/16 at 8:27 am
Posted on 8/13/16 at 8:28 am to coachcrisp
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"When the Alabama football team takes the field Thursday for the 80th Cotton Bowl, there will be a program and national-record 29 Crimson Tide players suited up who have already earned their degree, including three that have earned their master's degree."
That's great. Kudos to them. Now. How many of them left? THAT is the point. They are not all of a sudden going to get up and leave.
Tell me something. What has changed? Since Smith got his waiver FROM SABAN, what has changed?
Posted on 8/13/16 at 8:34 am to MullenBoys
What would make it interesting is if someone created a High School that was for athletes to max out concurrent credits before college. Like make it so athletes get to college with almost a two full years of credits under their belt so they could transfer without skipping a year of they don't get the play time they expected by senior year.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 9:53 am to tigerskin
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Not a ton of players out there that have graduated
Even if their were more, what decent player would want to risk leaving a team where he is playing and starting, to go to a team with zero guarantees ? The reason Smith wanted to transfer was because he thought Bama coaches were about to frick him on playing time.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:02 am to danfraz
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29 Crimson Tide players suited up who have already earned their degree, including three that have earned their master's degree
and how many of them play?
of course a bunch of nobody's and walkons graduate early. How often is a head coach gonna go chasing after one of those guys????
So again, waiting on a list of all these "recruit-able" graduates....
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and you probably lead the pack.
of living in reality yeah. Go Gump your sister and talk about how learnt ya'll are
Damn if you don't blow a fuse when you are proven to be an idiot.Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:03 am to coachcrisp
But how many transferred in to Bama? None? That's the whole point even for the ones that had , and in this game all except Adam Griffith had just graduated and at the same time were ending their eligibility.
The better question how many graduate transfers happen in all of NCAA football a year... Maybe 20. Maybe
The better question how many graduate transfers happen in all of NCAA football a year... Maybe 20. Maybe
Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:06 am to DawgsLife
quote:Dumbass, don't you realize that some don't because there's a rule in place to make it difficult to leave? Take away the rule and you'll see transfers of this type every year.
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"When the Alabama football team takes the field Thursday for the 80th Cotton Bowl, there will be a program and national-record 29 Crimson Tide players suited up who have already earned their degree, including three that have earned their master's degree."
That's great. Kudos to them. Now. How many of them left? THAT is the point. They are not all of a sudden going to get up and leave.
Tell me something. What has changed? Since Smith got his waiver FROM SABAN, what has changed?
Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:14 am to coachcrisp
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because there's a rule in place to make it difficult to leave? Take away the rule and you'll see transfers of this type every year.
The player has to pretty much decide to leave and inform his current team before he can even talk to potential teams to see if there is even an opening for him.
The rule isn't going to change and nothing has changed this week. Had smith wanted to go to a team that was on bama's schedule this year, Sabah wouldn't have released him to uga.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:15 am to 3rddownonthe8
quote:We got an Ole Miss kicker and a wide receiver from outside the conference just this year and we got another receiver last year (Mullaney(?) kid was like 2nd in receiving for us).
But how many transferred in to Bama? None? That's the whole point even for the ones that had , and in this game all except Adam Griffith had just graduated and at the same time were ending their eligibility.
The better question how many graduate transfers happen in all of NCAA football a year... Maybe 20. Maybe
Y'all are going to shite your pants if Saban puts out the word that he's interested in taking these grads. The #s would be significant.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:19 am to NYCAuburn
quote:NYC, I KNOW that you're not naive enough to think that there aren't ways around this. Do you believe for a second that Kirby didn't know that Mo Smith wanted to transfer before he let Alabama know of his intentions?..man, please!
The player has to pretty much decide to leave and inform his current team before he can even talk to potential teams to see if there is even an opening for him.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:25 am to coachcrisp
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Dumbass, don't you realize that some don't because there's a rule in place to make it difficult to leave? Take away the rule and you'll see transfers of this type every year.
So why isn't this an issue in EVERY OTHER P5 conference where its legal?All os a sudden the football universe collapses because it happened in the SEC?BTW I can promise you next year the SEC will dump the rule as well.Its a PR nightmare.
Oh and big bad Bama is gonna all of a sudden go on the warpath and collect all the grad tranfers?LMAO!Nobody
"manages" their roster better than Saban and now all of a sudden he'll have additional schlorships for grad students?
Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:30 am to MullenBoys
An ESPN analyst said that in the past 5 seasons, less than 1% of college football players who graduated early applied for a transfer. 352 or so teams; 90 players on each team..to keep it easy for you...do the math, OP. What a huge can of worms, am I right?
Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:31 am to coachcrisp
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NYC, I KNOW that you're not naive enough to think that there aren't ways around this. Do you believe for a second that Kirby didn't know that Mo Smith wanted to transfer before he let Alabama know of his intentions?..man, please!
The sec and the NCAA are extremely strict about it, so much so they don't even need 100% proof, the will block a transfer.
Like stated nothing has changed this week and people that think something did, might want to learn a little more on the subject.
The only real thing that happened was Bama got out PR'd by Smith and his family.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:33 am to Keltic Tiger
The funny thing is, the same rule is in place for basketball and a graduate transfer can make a far larger impact in that sport vs football. Yet it's really limited there as well.
People freaking out over this given the graduation percentages and quality of player not leaving for the NFL after 3-4 years is fear mongering at best.
People freaking out over this given the graduation percentages and quality of player not leaving for the NFL after 3-4 years is fear mongering at best.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:37 am to NYCAuburn
quote:I'm referring to the folks around here who want the SEC to eliminate the rule.
The sec and the NCAA are extremely strict about it, so much so they don't even need 100% proof, the will block a transfer.
Like stated nothing has changed this week and people that think something did, might want to learn a little more on the subject.
The only real thing that happened was Bama got out PR'd by Smith and his family.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:43 am to Irons Puppet
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Bama coaches were about to frick him on playing time.
Do you mean he was concerned that he was not going to earn the starting spot he desired?
Or
Do you mean that Bama coaches got together this summer and decided "to hell with doing what is best for the team, lets frick over Maurice Smith"
FWIW: I think graduate transfers are good for the sport as a whole. I also think that both Bama and the Smith family handled themselves poorly in this situation but in the end the correct decision was made.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:43 am to coachcrisp
I am all for the waiver process, unless the SEC doesn't allow to transfer to a team that will be on the schedule during players career, then I have no problem. I think grads have fulfilled their obligation. Again, so long as, they keep the current contact rules in place.
This whole issue would have been a non issue, even with smiths play to the media, if Saban had said he wouldn't do it because he thought they might play uga in the championship. Would have come off as arrogant, but people would have understood. His play to try to retain smith backfired.
This whole issue would have been a non issue, even with smiths play to the media, if Saban had said he wouldn't do it because he thought they might play uga in the championship. Would have come off as arrogant, but people would have understood. His play to try to retain smith backfired.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:48 am to MullenBoys
If someone wants to transfer after they have graduated there is no reason to block them from doing so. Otherwise we should have the coaches sit out a year when leaving for another school. You are a grown arse man when you graduate from college and should not be treated as a child.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:51 am to NYCAuburn
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This whole issue would have been a non issue, even with smiths play to the media, if Saban had said he wouldn't do it because he thought they might play uga in the championship.
Nah,he was going lose this PR battle even he came out and said that. Now,the trash bag deal and the Mom getting involved didn't help the matter but this was a lose/lose from the start.No doubt in my mind the SEC will exempt grad students from its transfer rules.
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