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re: So, if the SEC is going to allow transfers to other Sec teams...
Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:51 am to NYCAuburn
Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:51 am to NYCAuburn
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This whole issue would have been a non issue, even with smiths play to the media, if Saban had said he wouldn't do it because he thought they might play uga in the championship.
Nah,he was going lose this PR battle even he came out and said that. Now,the trash bag deal and the Mom getting involved didn't help the matter but this was a lose/lose from the start.No doubt in my mind the SEC will exempt grad students from its transfer rules at least by the '17 season.
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Posted on 8/13/16 at 11:00 am to RD Dawg
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Nah,he was going lose this PR battle even he came out and said that. Now,the trash bag deal and the Mom getting involved didn't help the matter but this was a lose/lose from the start.No doubt in my mind the SEC will exempt grad students from its transfer rules
Pretty much agree with this.
I am also not on board with those that think Bama, or any other top program in the future, will reap the most benefit from this change.
What I think will happen is that in the future most of these transfers in conference will be 2nd o 3rd stringers from the upper programs going to a "lesser" team for their last year.
Every so often you will see a starter from a vandy, etc that will leave to go to Bama, Ga, LSU, etc.
I think this situation of a top program losing a player to another top program will not be the norm. Just my opinion though...could be wrong.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 11:07 am to NYCAuburn
quote:We agree on this.
I am all for the waiver process, unless the SEC doesn't allow to transfer to a team that will be on the schedule during players career, then I have no problem. I think grads have fulfilled their obligation. Again, so long as, they keep the current contact rules in place.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 11:35 am to CCTider
HOW ABOUT A FREAKING COACH THAT KNOWS MORE ABOUT YOUR OFFENSE AND DEFENSE AT THE SAME SCHOOL! Stupid arse Saban was a complete douche about this.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 11:35 am to MullenBoys
As a plus the players are motivated to focus on academics and graduate early so they can transfer.
As a minus it is possible the best players of the second tier schools will transfer to whatever Big 6 program promises them playing time and a championship.
There are just a hand full of transfers every year right now but will the numbers explode soon?
As a minus it is possible the best players of the second tier schools will transfer to whatever Big 6 program promises them playing time and a championship.
There are just a hand full of transfers every year right now but will the numbers explode soon?
Posted on 8/13/16 at 12:04 pm to CCTider
I think it's pretty good to let graduates do this ...but.........always a but...... I don't like having to play against them and it has opened the door for recruiting and scouting for guys u need for a year. Technically you have a chance not to "miss out" on recruits. You can get them as seniors when they likely wouldn't have played much before that anyway. We're gonna see lots of guys play for two teams now. U will see coaches making calls to players that will be graduating and taking away their concentration on the team they r playing for now. It's a catch 22. It also shows these commitments from players don't mean that much anymore but it rewards good academic work and I think that's a positive.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 12:11 pm to MullenBoys
So MSU let a woman beater on their team because they were scared he'd end up coming to Oxford to play ? Now you're afraid you'll have guys redshirting their frosh season , graduating with a year of eligibility left and coming to play for the Rebels for their 5th and final season... Jesus.
All Ole Miss ... All the time.
All Ole Miss ... All the time.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 12:16 pm to coachcrisp
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Y'all are going to shite your pants if Saban puts out the word that he's interested in taking these grads. The #s would be significant.
This. Saban will do what he does with everything else and work this better than anybody
He will now not have a freshman or sophomore suiting up for the first time and struggling early in the season. Now, he'll ALWAYS have a WR, RB, DB, etc now that has played at a P5 school and played in Rose Bowls, conference championships, etc. Saban will never have a weak spot on any team again. I think he saw this and thats why he relented. Heck, I'll use it to my advantage and become even more powerful. If you know u have one more year to play, are you gonna go to a "rebuilding" team or a ready made team like Bama and get a championship your last year? Saban will have 5 to 6 players a year now on his roster from P5 schools that started and have played in big games. Not only big games but games in the SEC. Me like this change. Saban smiling now.
He now doesnt have to look at the PAC 10 or Big 12 for these types. He can get solid SEC players now with this precedent. Son, go play your 3 years at Ole Miss like you want and come give me your senior year and win a title. Dam, I;m telling you, Bama just became more unbeatable than they already were.
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Posted on 8/13/16 at 12:18 pm to TouchdownTony
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I don't like having to play against them and it has opened the door for recruiting and scouting for guys u need for a year. Technically you have a chance not to "miss out" on recruits. You can get them as seniors when they likely wouldn't have played much before that anyway. We're gonna see lots of guys play for two teams now. U will see coaches making calls to players that will be graduating and taking away their concentration on the team they r playing for now. It's a catch 22
Once again,are there ANY of these issues with EVERY other P5 conference schools that allow this?I mean,has Oklahoma,Ohio State or USC been raking in or losing grad transfers at a an alarming rate?Have there been coaches accused of poaching grad transfers at the 60+ other P5 schools that allow this?
Posted on 8/13/16 at 12:27 pm to TouchdownTony
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P5 school and played in Rose Bowls, conference championships, etc. Saban will never have a weak spot on any team agai
Soooo why hasn't he loaded up on grad transfers?I mean he can take all the ones he wants from outside the conference.I mean the roster should be full of guys from Ohio State,USC, etc, right?
Or was he just to much a gentleman to pursue them?
Posted on 8/13/16 at 12:43 pm to MullenBoys
The reason u haven't seen more transfers is because there was a rule against it. That's gone now because ANY coach that tries to block it will not be doing "what's best for the kid" and take a PR hit for being a selfish douche so coaches basically can't block them now just because u will look bad and recruiting would suffer if a recruit knows u blocked a kid last year.
I can guarantee you Saban already has the names of guys in the SEC that will graduate after this semester, he misses no details, that still will have eligibility and will assign coaches to scout them.
Of all the great things Kirby did for us at Bama, this may make him legendary by taking this kid and basically abolishing the rule. Gracius Kirby.
I can guarantee you Saban already has the names of guys in the SEC that will graduate after this semester, he misses no details, that still will have eligibility and will assign coaches to scout them.
Of all the great things Kirby did for us at Bama, this may make him legendary by taking this kid and basically abolishing the rule. Gracius Kirby.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 1:01 pm to TouchdownTony
You do realized the rule hasn't changed, Saban decided to release him and the SEC granted a waiver. This doesn't mean that the SEC will grant waivers to everyone.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 1:07 pm to TouchdownTony
Were you responding to me or do you not know how this rant thing works?
Therd is no rules against it outside the conference and so once again,why hasn't Nick loaded up on guys from Oklahoma,Ohio State,USC,etc?
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The reason u haven't seen more transfers is because there was a rule against it
Therd is no rules against it outside the conference and so once again,why hasn't Nick loaded up on guys from Oklahoma,Ohio State,USC,etc?
Posted on 8/13/16 at 1:29 pm to TouchdownTony
"It shows these commitments from players do not mean that much any more"? Care to stop & reflect on just how much commitment Coach Boom has shown over his career? Tubs? Nutt? "Lots of guys play for two teams"> Again, we are talking about 1% of well over a 1000 kids so far.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 1:42 pm to 3rddownonthe8
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You do realized the rule hasn't changed,
Correct,it will though.SEC doesn't want deal with this PR nightmare especially since its allowed at every other P5 conference.
Won't be this academic year but I would bet it'll change going in to 17-18.
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Posted on 8/13/16 at 1:51 pm to TouchdownTony
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The reason u haven't seen more transfers is because there was a rule against it.
No it wasn't. Saban and Alabama could take any other graduate student from outside the conference.
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That's gone now
No it isn't. Nothing has changed. Not one thing. The rule is still in place. You guys don't seem to understand this. The only reason Smith is at Georgia right now is because Saban gave him the waiver.
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I can guarantee you Saban already has the names of guys in the SEC that will graduate after this semester, he misses no details, that still will have eligibility and will assign coaches to scout them.
Makes perfect sense. Alabama will probably stop recruiting all the 5* players now so he can go get a graduate transfer student that was not playing at his current school. BRILLIANT! You guys rock and are really going to kill it now!
Dude. You need to find out what happened first. Then you need to find out how it affects anything. Then you need to ask yourself....how can we take advantage of this? First you have to have a scholarship spot open. Alabama probably enters this time of year with all kinds of spots open from an 85 limit, right?
You guys running around her saying these things only points out that you don't understand what happened. Quit listening to your buddies and find out the truth. NOTHING has changed. The rule is still intact.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 2:01 pm to DawgsLife
Alabama will probably stop recruiting all the 5* players now so he can go get a graduate transfer student that was not playing at his current school. BRILLIANT! You guys rock and are really going to kill it now!
Exactly what I was thinking.So he's going to waste time and resources scouting players that MIGHT graduate, he technically can't recruit and also reserve a scholarship
instead recruiting and signing his typical 4 and 5 star recruits?
And many of these grad tranfers are usually disatisfied with their playing time to begin with and all of a sudden they're gonna get it at Bama,of all places?
Exactly what I was thinking.So he's going to waste time and resources scouting players that MIGHT graduate, he technically can't recruit and also reserve a scholarship
instead recruiting and signing his typical 4 and 5 star recruits?
And many of these grad tranfers are usually disatisfied with their playing time to begin with and all of a sudden they're gonna get it at Bama,of all places?
This post was edited on 8/13/16 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 8/13/16 at 2:03 pm to lefty08
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The fact that the player has to graduate pretty much seals the deal on any player transferring from LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss, or Tennessee.
As for LSU, Anthony Jennings, John Diarse and Trent Domingue all agree that you are a clueless fricking dumbass.
This post was edited on 8/13/16 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 8/13/16 at 2:12 pm to RD Dawg
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And many of these grad tranfers are usually disatisfied with their playing time to begin with and all of a sudden they're gonna get it at Bama,of all places?
I'm amazed at the number of Alabama fans that simply don't understand what just happened. They think Smith going to UGA changed the rule. It didn't. Then they want everybody to believe that Saban is going to save spots for a graduate student that can't play at the school he is already at.
You try to explain it to them and the same ones just start another thread saying the same things. It's amazing.
Then you have some that don't know the difference in graduate student transfers and undergraduate transfers.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 2:26 pm to UKWildcatsFAN
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The guy fricking graduated from a 4 year UNIVERSITY. Let him go where he wants. Alabama doesn't own him
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