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re: Since 2000, What SEC Team Has Overachieved & Underachieved Most?
Posted on 6/29/20 at 4:17 pm to chillmonster
Posted on 6/29/20 at 4:17 pm to chillmonster
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UT gets a pass here. Think about it. If they underachieved so did Arky, Vandy, the Cleveland Browns, Caddyshack 2, and every piece of Chinese electronics ever made. They expectations are similar: shittiness is the standard.
Entering the 2000 season, Tennessee was second all-time in wins, winning percentage, and conference titles. They were the clear historical #2 program in the SEC behind only Alabama. 20 years later, that's no longer as cut and dry. To say shittiness is the standard for them ignores history and logic. They have underachieved to such a degree since the year 2000 that their status as a historical power within the SEC is now in flux.
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Posted on 6/29/20 at 4:29 pm to sand mountainDvalues
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East was all time bad.
Eason injured allowing Fromm to step in. Completely avoided injuries otherwise.
Lucked out having Kerryon Johnson getting injured a week after running all over your defense in Jordan Hare.
Had Bama relying on a True Freshman, backup QB to lead a 2nd half comeback down two TDs.
1. Not luck or even necessary.
2. No Injuries were good luck but the injury we had was good luck? Not buying it.
3. Most exaggerated performance and injury of recent memory. Auburn didn’t smash us because of him and didn’t get smashed because of him.
4. This was bad luck, and ignores all of the bad luck plays that happened in this game. Sony Michel couldn’t even play in the 4th or OT.
This post was edited on 6/29/20 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 6/29/20 at 4:58 pm to djsdawg
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3. Most exaggerated performance and injury of recent memory. Auburn didn’t smash us because of him and didn’t get smashed because of him.
He had 34 touches that game for 233 yards. The next closest player had 4 touches. He was their entire offense and in typical Gustav fashion, he had no idea how to adapt when Kerryon got hurt.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 4:59 pm to djsdawg
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With a little good luck, we would have numerous MNC.
Poor Georgia never has any luck
Posted on 6/29/20 at 5:13 pm to RollTide1987
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Entering the 2000 season, Tennessee was second all-time in wins, winning percentage, and conference titles. They were the clear historical #2 program in the SEC behind only Alabama. 20 years later, that's no longer as cut and dry. To say shittiness is the standard for them ignores history and logic. They have underachieved to such a degree since the year 2000 that their status as a historical power within the SEC is now in flux.
Admittedly, it was really just a troll.
There is a point, though. They aren't a power and they don't have a path to becoming one any time soon. It's like saying Georgia Tech has underachieved. They've played themselves out of high expectations.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 5:22 pm to sand mountainDvalues
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Poor Georgia never has any luck
Haven’t had the luck that wins MNC’s since the great year of 1980.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 5:25 pm to djsdawg
2002, 2007, 2012, 2017 y’all were real close. 2017 probably should have won
Posted on 6/29/20 at 5:35 pm to tiger perry
Blame it largely on Bama becoming a super program under Saban. Us not having to play them yearly hurts us more than help us.
It would have forced change and upgrades way sooner than the embarrassing loss on a rainy day in Sanford.
It's easier to become the best when you play the best every year.
It would have forced change and upgrades way sooner than the embarrassing loss on a rainy day in Sanford.
It's easier to become the best when you play the best every year.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 5:43 pm to sand mountainDvalues
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had 34 touches that game for 233 yards. The next closest player had 4 touches. He was their entire offense and in typical Gustav fashion, he had no idea how to adapt when Kerryon got hurt.
Auburn went on a 21-0 run in the middle of the game, but it wasn’t KJ who made it happen. Instead, it was stidham with 3 tds, and each came after huge uga ST mistakes. Then, After the game was out of hand, KJ produced most of his yards.
We didn’t make those stupid ST mistakes in game 2. We also dominated the LOS in game 2. KJ had no room to run. A shoulder doesn’t change that.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 6:14 pm to LSUnHogCountry
you could make the case for georgia as biggest underachiever - they've had national title -level talent like 5-6 times, and struck out.
but, at the same time, they've still had some really great seasons.
but, at the same time, they've still had some really great seasons.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 6:38 pm to tiger perry
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2002, 2007, 2012, 2017 y’all were real close. 2017 probably should have won
The difference between a few MNC and zero is quite thin. Even 2018 was fully capable.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 6:42 pm to LSUnHogCountry
LSU massively over achieved way above its status.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 6:52 pm to cajunbama
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LSU massively over achieved way above its status.
When you think about LSU pre-2000, this isn't that inaccurate of a statement - even if it is meant to be a troll. Before 2000, LSU had had a grand total of four seasons of 10 wins or more. They have had 11 seasons of 10 wins or more since 2000 alone.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 7:16 pm to LSUnHogCountry
Auburn and Auburn
Posted on 6/29/20 at 7:43 pm to LSUnHogCountry
I mean the obvious and easy answer is Georgia. Since 2010 though its Florida. No conference titles the entire decade is embarassing. Only two BCS wins as well, and both the last two years. Kind of unacceptable here. Hopefully Mullen continues to improved
Overachieved
I think I'd go Missouri for the 20 years, Miss State for 2010 on
Overachieved
I think I'd go Missouri for the 20 years, Miss State for 2010 on
Posted on 6/30/20 at 5:09 am to TailbackU
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Auburn and Auburn
No idea how you can win a NC,play for NC have another undefeated season and
still can't put together back to back 10+ win seasons
This post was edited on 6/30/20 at 5:11 am
Posted on 6/30/20 at 7:22 am to blueprint_one
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Georgia has a arguably top 5 recruiting class each year.
Every year since 2017?
Or every year since 2000?
It kind of makes a difference.
Top 10 recruiting classes are the real answer since 2000 (since you are new to the SEC, you may not know this). That got us top 5 or 6 in the conference annually in recruiting. That gave us a relevant football team on the national landscape once every 5 years. For the record, this appears to be the trend that Florida is on. We will see if they can do better with top 10 recruiting classes.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 7:52 am to sand mountainDvalues
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He had 34 touches that game for 233 yards. The next closest player had 4 touches. He was their entire offense and in typical Gustav fashion, he had no idea how to adapt when Kerryon got hurt.
I've never thought of an injured player as a reason for a loss who played the entire game.
In the national championship game, UGA lost our best wide receiver and our best pass rusher. Hurt. Out for the remainder of the game. It happens and it is a reason why depth is so important.
Kerryon had more rush attempts than Sony or Chubb in the SECCG.
I'm not a Bama fan... but in your "if only player X hadn't gotten hurt..." questions, did player X continue to play? Nobody does that except Auburn because they cant rationalize anything else. Kerryons effectiveness was from that awesome jump cut. Every Auburn fan said that the shoulder wouldn't affect the jump cut leading into the game. A running backs legs are more important (i.e. Herschel with the dislocated shoulder in the national championship game).
Posted on 6/30/20 at 7:54 am to LSUnHogCountry
The Underachiever is easily Tennessee. There is no debate. In the context of the OP, since 2000, UT is clearly the underachievers. UGA would be the answer if the question was since 1980, but it isn't - and I feel like people are unfairly grading UGA's last 20 years more harshly because it was another 20 years prior to 2000 for their last title - but that doesn't matter when it comes to 2000-2020.
Since 2000, only 11 schools have won national titles. Should UGA be in that group - probably. But there are plenty of blue bloods/powers that haven't won it in the last 20 years - Michigan, ND, Tennessee, Penn State, Nebraska.
UGA has 3 SEC titles. UGA has been a national tile contender in multiple seasons. They were a play or two away from winning a natty. I can think of 4 seasons where UGA at season end was a spot or 2 away from the BCS title game/making playoffs - 2002, 2007, 2018, 2019. Adding in the year they made the natty, that's 5 years out of 20 where they were bonafide contenders - it just hasn't happened for them.
Compare the to Tennessee. 0 SEC titles, and I can't think of a single season where they have been a national title contender at year end (correct me if I am wrong?).
It isn't even a comparison. The only logical argument for saying UGA is the bigger underachiever is if you think UT has deteriorated so much as a program that UGA is now on a completely higher plane and thus has more expectations. Which, if that is the case, would only bolster UT being the bigger underachievers since 2000 as prior to 2000, UGA and UT were definitely on the same tier and if anything, UT was on a higher one. The arguments for UGA are being cloudied by unfairly knocking them for "1980" which is entirely outside the scope of 2000-2020.
Since 2000, only 11 schools have won national titles. Should UGA be in that group - probably. But there are plenty of blue bloods/powers that haven't won it in the last 20 years - Michigan, ND, Tennessee, Penn State, Nebraska.
UGA has 3 SEC titles. UGA has been a national tile contender in multiple seasons. They were a play or two away from winning a natty. I can think of 4 seasons where UGA at season end was a spot or 2 away from the BCS title game/making playoffs - 2002, 2007, 2018, 2019. Adding in the year they made the natty, that's 5 years out of 20 where they were bonafide contenders - it just hasn't happened for them.
Compare the to Tennessee. 0 SEC titles, and I can't think of a single season where they have been a national title contender at year end (correct me if I am wrong?).
It isn't even a comparison. The only logical argument for saying UGA is the bigger underachiever is if you think UT has deteriorated so much as a program that UGA is now on a completely higher plane and thus has more expectations. Which, if that is the case, would only bolster UT being the bigger underachievers since 2000 as prior to 2000, UGA and UT were definitely on the same tier and if anything, UT was on a higher one. The arguments for UGA are being cloudied by unfairly knocking them for "1980" which is entirely outside the scope of 2000-2020.
This post was edited on 6/30/20 at 8:02 am
Posted on 6/30/20 at 8:59 am to lefty08
They are not the biggest underachievers but they certainly did under Nutt, Bert and the Chad.
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