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re: Since 2000, What SEC Team Has Overachieved & Underachieved Most?
Posted on 6/30/20 at 8:26 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Posted on 6/30/20 at 8:26 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Georgia is surrounded by power five schools and they are a short distance away. So yes the state is top five in producing division 1 prospects. But they face stiff competition in recruiting.
If you notice but not only are the schools in states with the most division 1 prospects have very good college teams or team but the border states as well. For example the state of Oregon produces little division 1 players. But over a 10 year period, they have recruited California and signed 130 recruits. California is top five in division 1 prospects.
That isn't the only example but it isn't necessary how much your state produces but how close you are to a state that produces the most top level prospects. California, Texas, Georgia, Florida and Louisiana are top five in division 1 prospects. If your team is located in those states or border them then you have a good chance of doing well in recruiting.
If you notice but not only are the schools in states with the most division 1 prospects have very good college teams or team but the border states as well. For example the state of Oregon produces little division 1 players. But over a 10 year period, they have recruited California and signed 130 recruits. California is top five in division 1 prospects.
That isn't the only example but it isn't necessary how much your state produces but how close you are to a state that produces the most top level prospects. California, Texas, Georgia, Florida and Louisiana are top five in division 1 prospects. If your team is located in those states or border them then you have a good chance of doing well in recruiting.
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Posted on 6/30/20 at 8:30 pm to RollTide1987
Of course one could look the pre 2000 period as underachieving, given that LSU has no instate competitors, is in a talent rich state, and has historically recruited well in Texas and, at times, Florida. In the late 50s and early 60s LSU was very successful. They had some pretty good teams in the late 60s and early 70s, a couple of conference championships in the 80s. The wheels fell off post-Arnsparger, until Di Nardo, who was headed in right direction, until he hired and refused to fire Lou Tepper. Saban was the first coach in many years who actually got LSU to what had always been its potential. But to argue that LSU is overachieving is to ignore that it has more potential with instate talent other than Florida, Georgia, and Texas in the region, all of which have significantly larger populations. LSU also was a larger school than Ole Miss, MSU, Alabama, Auburn, and Arkansas for many years. Ole Miss, MSU, and even A&M, played their annual games in Baton Rouge for many years because they could make more money from the gate there than by playing at home. So an argument that LSU is overachieving is pretty specious.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 10:11 am to dchog
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Georgia is surrounded by power five schools and they are a short distance away. So yes the state is top five in producing division 1 prospects. But they face stiff competition in recruiting.
Smart hog
Posted on 7/1/20 at 10:15 am to LSUnHogCountry
Georgia almost every year as the underachiever. LSU 2016.
2013 Auburn or Missouri as overachiever.
2013 Auburn or Missouri as overachiever.
This post was edited on 7/1/20 at 10:35 am
Posted on 7/1/20 at 12:05 pm to turnpiketiger
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Georgia almost every year as the underachiever
Stop with the idiocy. Listen to the smart people
Posted on 7/1/20 at 3:15 pm to djsdawg
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Stop with the idiocy. Listen to the smart people
Really? So UGA having a top 5 class every year for a long time and having all the resources in the world being where they are isn’t considered underachieving? They’re the ND of the SEC
Posted on 7/1/20 at 3:19 pm to turnpiketiger
And Tennessee, the 2nd best SEC program historically and a top 5 team of the decade of the 90s, hasn't achieved less? Weve blown the doors off them in every way since 2000. Get it through your Mongoloid brain this question has nothing to do with 1980 and is only asking about since 2000. There is only one correct answer
Posted on 7/1/20 at 3:32 pm to RebelTheBear
It’s 13 if you count the loss in last seasons bowl game vs the NCAA.
Underachiever in the SEC from 10,000 feet it’d say South Carolina. They seem to sit near too much talent to not have done something more of note. I really thought Spurrier was going to win it all.
Overachiever in the SEC I’d say Mississippi State. Competing in the West and what Mullen did I think as time goes by will be recognized as incredibly impressive.
Underachiever in the SEC from 10,000 feet it’d say South Carolina. They seem to sit near too much talent to not have done something more of note. I really thought Spurrier was going to win it all.
Overachiever in the SEC I’d say Mississippi State. Competing in the West and what Mullen did I think as time goes by will be recognized as incredibly impressive.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 4:46 pm to turnpiketiger
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So UGA having a top 5 class every year for a long time
By very long time, do you mean 4 classes in a row? And only 3 of those classes have seen the field (hopefully, we see the 2020 class this fall).
Posted on 7/1/20 at 4:57 pm to turnpiketiger
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So UGA having a top 5 class every year for a long time and having all the resources in the world being where they are isn’t considered underachieving?
Uga hasn’t had a top 5 class for 20 years straight.
The subject is MOST underachieving. Uga is 5th in power 5 winning % nationally in this time period.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:21 pm to djsdawg
The only times I'd say Georgia really underachieved were 2008-2010 and 2014-16. 2008 should've been an NC type season; Florida was great but y'all should've been able to at least compete with them and Bama was not really dominant yet, they nearly lost to teams much worse than UGA that season.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:24 pm to Mithridates6
2008 should have competed better, but we lost our top DL and OL before the season started, after we were voted #1 preseason. That’s a big hit, especially for a richt recruited program.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:33 pm to turnpiketiger
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Really? So UGA having a top 5 class every year for a long time and having all the resources in the world being where they are isn’t considered underachieving? They’re the ND of the SEC
Where do you idiots come up with this shite? We had top 7-10 classes 15 years in a row with Richt. You know where that placed us in the SEC most years recruiting wise? 3rd-5th every year. Where did UGA fall most years at the end of the season? 3rd-5th. And we didn't start opening up the wallet until Kirby got here. Hell, we had self reported violations because Richt had to pay camp coaches out of pocket one year. You guys just make shite up and repeat and then believe your lies.
This post was edited on 7/1/20 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:36 pm to lefty08
Bc beating Ark by 40 plus for three years isn’t worth a mention lol
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:04 pm to RollTide1987
The Tennessee/Georgia argument is a strange one for underachieving.
On the one hand, you have Tennessee, a FORMER elite program, go belly-up and fall from grace. That's something you do have to consider.
On the other hand, you have Georgia, who's been consistently loaded with talent, had a long stretch with a good coach and seemingly another period now. They seem to match up with the top teams in the conference, but somehow since 2000, you have Alabama with 5 titles, LSU with 3, Florida with 2, Auburn with 1, and Georgia with 0. You can't blame it on parity, because it seems parity means an elite SEC team would have one in that stretch.
On the one hand, you have Tennessee, a FORMER elite program, go belly-up and fall from grace. That's something you do have to consider.
On the other hand, you have Georgia, who's been consistently loaded with talent, had a long stretch with a good coach and seemingly another period now. They seem to match up with the top teams in the conference, but somehow since 2000, you have Alabama with 5 titles, LSU with 3, Florida with 2, Auburn with 1, and Georgia with 0. You can't blame it on parity, because it seems parity means an elite SEC team would have one in that stretch.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 7:52 am to Scoob
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On the one hand, you have Tennessee, a FORMER elite program, go belly-up and fall from grace. That's something you do have to consider.
OTOH, Vols are Far away from the elite level they have potential to reach.
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On the other hand, you have Georgia, who's been consistently loaded with talent, had a long stretch with a good coach and seemingly another period now. They seem to match up with the top teams in the conference,
OTOH, Dawgs are one of the top programs in the nation.
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somehow since 2000, you have Alabama with 5 titles, LSU with 3, Florida with 2, Auburn with 1, and Georgia with 0. You can't blame it on parity, because it seems parity means an elite SEC team would have one in that stretch.
You can blame it on a lack of good luck or the lack of a heisman qb.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 10:23 am to Porter Osborne Jr
Apparently judging by yalls responses y’all are content with being mediocre. If you don’t consider not winning a championship in 20 years as underachieving then idk what we can talk about. Maybe that’s just our standard at LSU.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 10:31 am to turnpiketiger
Well, uga has been far better than mediocre, so try learning what words mean before using them. Start with “most” and “mediocre”.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 11:30 am to djsdawg
I mean whatever you think bud. It’s pretty well known that UGA has been underachieves in the last 20 years but alright sure. Geaux tigers
Posted on 7/2/20 at 11:31 am to turnpiketiger
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Apparently judging by yalls responses y’all are content with being mediocre
Apparently judging by your posts on this topic you're content being ignorant on this subject.
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If you don’t consider not winning a championship in 20 years as underachieving then idk what we can talk about.
No one is arguing that we haven't underachieved. Just that others, namely UT, have underachieved by more.
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