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re: SEC Expanding?
Posted on 5/16/23 at 8:23 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Posted on 5/16/23 at 8:23 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Make it stop. No need to expand.
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Posted on 5/16/23 at 8:29 pm to southernboisb
Let's get Suwannee, GT, Tulane and Duke,
Seriously, The nation is gonna have a southeast, east, Midwest and west when this is all done. The playoffs are gonna resemble the NCAA basketball tourney with 32 teams and teams playing 16 regular season games and playing 4 rounds to determine the champ. The season will begin in august and extend into late January. Losing 4 games won't mean a thing.
College football as we KNEW it is done in a few years and G5 teams will drop football or drop to 1AA.
Seriously, The nation is gonna have a southeast, east, Midwest and west when this is all done. The playoffs are gonna resemble the NCAA basketball tourney with 32 teams and teams playing 16 regular season games and playing 4 rounds to determine the champ. The season will begin in august and extend into late January. Losing 4 games won't mean a thing.
College football as we KNEW it is done in a few years and G5 teams will drop football or drop to 1AA.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 8:30 pm to Monahans
Virginia Legislature isn't going to let Virginia go without Virginia Tech. They already forced the ACC to take them. NC will probably do the same. VT is very good academically also. Their engineering school is superior to UVA's.
Plus, UNC and UVA bring nothing football fan wise. VT and NC State do. Football drives the revenue for the conference.
Plus, UNC and UVA bring nothing football fan wise. VT and NC State do. Football drives the revenue for the conference.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:20 pm to Henry Jones Jr
quote:At the end of the day, if we go to 24 teams each.. and if the B1G continues to only take AAU schools or maybe R1 schools.. you have to pick 8 schools from this group for the B1G
Anyone saying Va Tech instead of UVA is clueless.
AAU Schools not in B1G
* Oregon
* Washington
* Stanford
* California
* Pittsburgh
* Notre Dame (R1 not AAU)
* Virginia
* North Carolina
Miami (R1 not AAU)
Colorado
Utah
Arizona
Kansas
Missouri
Georgia Tech
Rice
Tulane
* who I think they pick, unless they will take Miami. If I knew they would take Miami, they would be on the list for sure.
They want Notre Dame. They already have most of their rivals.. Stanford, Pitt & Miami still in play, but they have the rest except Navy.
Eta: I only list Missouri because I know that the B1G used to be their preference. Maybe they would take Kansas and Missouri and give us back Nebraska, who lost AAU status.
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:42 pm to Auburn80
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VT is very good academically also
Academics play zero role in all of this. It’s 100% about football and basketball media rights.
Florida State and North Carolina are two massive brands that would be the best options. Hard to see them pass on Clemson but I feel like UNC brings more to the table nationally.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:53 pm to turnpiketiger
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Academics play zero role in all of this. It’s 100% about football and basketball media rights.
You didn’t see who I responded to. But UNC football is less than you might expect. Mack Brown makes them better, but they will revert when he leaves. That school doesn’t care about football at all.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 10:12 pm to southernboisb
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The talk is Oregon & Washington are almost guaranteed to the B10. That'll put them at 18. I, personally, see the SEC also matching the #'s B1G has.
Agree. Its a market share arms race at this point & part of adding schools is just to keep them from joining the other side.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 10:15 pm to turnpiketiger
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Academics play zero role in all of this. It’s 100% about football and basketball media rights.
This statement is 100% false.
The B1G cares about academics first. Up to this point in expansion, they have only taken AAU schools, and the only schools you hear rumors about with them are AAU schools. With one exception.. Notre Dame.
While Notre Dame isn’t an AAU school, they are considered a top 20 school, they are a R1 level school, but they don’t have a medical school, so they aren’t AAU. Miami does fall into this same category, but they aren’t ranked quite as high. Top 50 I believe, and so I have seen some float this idea.. if Notre Dame wanted Miami to come with them. I have no idea if the B1G would say yea or no, but they would never consider a school like West Virginia, because of academics.
So yes, academics absolutely do matter.
Maybe not directly to the SEC, but indirectly through the B1G, who is their partner in all of this.
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 5/16/23 at 10:17 pm to BigBro
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At the end of the day, if we go to 24 teams each
You're weird idea is not even up for debate so please stop.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 10:20 pm to jonnyanony
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You're weird idea is not even up for debate so please stop.
My apologies for not getting your approval to have a speculative conversation, during the off-season, that potentially effects all of us. My bad.
What would you like for me to talk about master?
Posted on 5/16/23 at 10:27 pm to BigBro
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This statement is 100% false.
The B1G cares about academics first. Up to this point in expansion, they have only taken AAU schools, and the only schools you hear rumors about with them are AAU schools. With one exception.. Notre Dame.
While Notre Dame isn’t an AAU school, they are considered a top 20 school, they are a R1 level school, but they don’t have a medical school, so they aren’t AAU. Miami does fall into this same category, but they aren’t ranked quite as high. Top 50 I believe, and so I have seen some float this idea.. if Notre Dame wanted Miami to come with them. I have no idea if the B1G would say yea or no, but they would never consider a school like West Virginia, because of academics.
So yes, academics absolutely do matter.
Maybe not directly to the SEC, but indirectly through the B1G, who is their partner in all of this.
You don't think the B1G would take FSU if they had the chance?
They took Nebraska who is almost 100 spots behind FSU in the rankings.
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 5/16/23 at 10:35 pm to BigBro
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My apologies for not getting your approval to have a speculative conversation, during the off-season, that potentially effects all of us. My bad.
What would you like for me to talk about master?
just shut up
Posted on 5/16/23 at 10:41 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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You don't think the B1G would take FSU if they had the chance? They took Nebraska who is almost 100 spots behind FSU in the rankings.
I could be wrong, but no, I do not think that they would take FSU. As for Nebraska, they were AAU when they joined.
Texas and/or Oklahoma approached the B1G and at least had some conversations. Now I don’t know what was said, but I’m guessing that Oklahoma was a no, even if that meant passing on Texas too.. that means academics matters.
I challenge anyone to look at these US News rankings and tell me that the B1G doesn’t care about academics.
* Stanford 3
* Duke 10
Northwestern 10
* Notre Dame 18 (1)
* California 20
UCLA 20
Michigan 25
USC 25
* Virginia 25
* UNC 29
Wisconsin 38
Illinois 41
* Georgia Tech 44
Ohio State 49
Purdue 51
Maryland 55
* Washington 55
Minnesota 62
* Pittsburgh 62
Indiana 72
Michigan State 77
Penn State 77
Iowa 83
* Colorado 97
* Arizona 105
* Oregon 105
* Utah 105
Rutgers 115
Nebraska 151 (1)
* potential expansion candidates
(1) not AAU
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:00 pm to BigBro
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I could be wrong, but no, I do not think that they would take FSU. As for Nebraska, they were AAU when they joined.
Texas and/or Oklahoma approached the B1G and at least had some conversations. Now I don’t know what was said, but I’m guessing that Oklahoma was a no, even if that meant passing on Texas too.. that means academics matters.
If academics mattered they would've invited Missouri over Nebraska in the first place.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:12 pm to Auburn80
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Virginia Legislature isn't going to let Virginia go without Virginia Tech.
And what the frick do you know about higher education law or the Virginia constitution?
I heard the same Rant yokels making that argument regarding Oklahoma and California.
If UVA decides to join the SEC, what can the VA legislature do about it? Pass legislation mandating that VA and VT be in the same conference? What the frick are you talking about? A state university does not require legislative approval when changing athletic conferences lol
You SEC Rant goobers just parrot shite that you hear other mindless posters spewing.
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:15 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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If academics mattered they would've invited Missouri over Nebraska in the first place.
I didn’t say it was the only factor.
Using the 2010 rankings:
Kansas was #96 AAU
Nebraska was #99 AAU
Missouri was #102 AAU
So basically, all about equal. At this point, it’s 100% about sports and media choosing between the 3 schools. Imo, the ranking isn’t that big of a deal for any of the top 100.. but being an AAU school is very important.
I don’t know the answers either way, I’m just giving my opinion based on what I see and what I read.. and I could be completely wrong.
I get the point that you would rather have FSU than Virginia.. but that isn’t how they think.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:15 pm to southernboisb
UVA and UNC are the best SEC options.
Big 12 will expand to add the ACC Southern schools (so they’ll cover the same Southern territory as the new SEC). The Northern ACC schools will make their own conference or go B10 if invited.
Big 12 will expand to add the ACC Southern schools (so they’ll cover the same Southern territory as the new SEC). The Northern ACC schools will make their own conference or go B10 if invited.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:21 pm to ClassicCityAlum
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UVA and UNC are the best SEC options.
This is the correct answer if we aren’t working with the B1G.
Doing this essentially cuts them off from GT and any other schools they would be interested in. All of the other schools could be had at any time.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:27 pm to Leto II
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shite I hope not
Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:37 pm to ClassicCityAlum
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UVA and UNC are the best SEC options.
No they are not. They will dilute the money.
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