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Sagarin Ratings (4 Year Average)
Posted on 8/3/21 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 8/3/21 at 4:05 pm
Sagarin Ratings
AVG TEAM (2017,2018,2019,2020)
Tier 1 - Top 10
2 Alabama (1,2,4,1)
3 Ohio State (2,3,2,3)
4 Clemson (5,1,3,4)
5 Georgia (6,4,5,5)
5 Oklahoma (3,5,7,4)
10 Notre Dame (10,7,11,10)
Tier 2 - Top 20
11 Auburn (8,15,13,16)
14 Iowa (18,10,14,15)
14 LSU (19,14,1,22)
14 Penn State (4,11,8,32)
14 Washington (9,9,17,21)
16 Wisconsin (7,25,9,22)
17 Texas (27,17,15,10)
20 Ok State (11,31,22,14)
20 Texas A&M (43,12,19,6)
Tier 3 - Top 30
23 Oregon (40,35,6,12) *
23 UCF (13,22,23,34)
24 Iowa State (25,37,28,6) *
24 Florida (67,13,10,7) *
26 Michigan (26,6,12,59) **
26 USC (15,51,26,11) *
26 Utah (35,23,20,26)
27 Mississippi State (17,8,47,35) **
28 TCU (12,40,38,19)
Tier 4- Top 40
37 Miami (16,34,70,28)
37 West Virginia (49,16,53,31)
39 Kentucky (65,26,33,33)
Tier 5 - Top 50
41 Kansas State (30,52,27,54)
42 Missouri (51,18,54,48)
49 South Carolina (34,41,55,74)
Tier 6 - All Others
53 Ole Miss (57,68,58,29)
53 Cincinnati (128,39,30,15)
53 Texas Tech (48,46,52,67)
55 Baylor (97,62,16,45)
57 Nebraska (75,54,49,51)
61 Tennessee (92,69,35,47)
64 BYU (112,63,67,13)
67 Colorado (69,72,63,64)
86 Arkansas (74,98,117,53)
91 Vanderbilt (83,57,110,114)
116 Kansas (157,93,85,127)
* would move UP 1 tier with a 2 year average
** would move DOWN 1 tier with a 2 year average
Ratings were retrieved from: Sagarin Ratings
That link provides the 2020 data. To get the 2017-2019 data, I used Wayback Machine
AVG TEAM (2017,2018,2019,2020)
Tier 1 - Top 10
2 Alabama (1,2,4,1)
3 Ohio State (2,3,2,3)
4 Clemson (5,1,3,4)
5 Georgia (6,4,5,5)
5 Oklahoma (3,5,7,4)
10 Notre Dame (10,7,11,10)
Tier 2 - Top 20
11 Auburn (8,15,13,16)
14 Iowa (18,10,14,15)
14 LSU (19,14,1,22)
14 Penn State (4,11,8,32)
14 Washington (9,9,17,21)
16 Wisconsin (7,25,9,22)
17 Texas (27,17,15,10)
20 Ok State (11,31,22,14)
20 Texas A&M (43,12,19,6)
Tier 3 - Top 30
23 Oregon (40,35,6,12) *
23 UCF (13,22,23,34)
24 Iowa State (25,37,28,6) *
24 Florida (67,13,10,7) *
26 Michigan (26,6,12,59) **
26 USC (15,51,26,11) *
26 Utah (35,23,20,26)
27 Mississippi State (17,8,47,35) **
28 TCU (12,40,38,19)
Tier 4- Top 40
37 Miami (16,34,70,28)
37 West Virginia (49,16,53,31)
39 Kentucky (65,26,33,33)
Tier 5 - Top 50
41 Kansas State (30,52,27,54)
42 Missouri (51,18,54,48)
49 South Carolina (34,41,55,74)
Tier 6 - All Others
53 Ole Miss (57,68,58,29)
53 Cincinnati (128,39,30,15)
53 Texas Tech (48,46,52,67)
55 Baylor (97,62,16,45)
57 Nebraska (75,54,49,51)
61 Tennessee (92,69,35,47)
64 BYU (112,63,67,13)
67 Colorado (69,72,63,64)
86 Arkansas (74,98,117,53)
91 Vanderbilt (83,57,110,114)
116 Kansas (157,93,85,127)
* would move UP 1 tier with a 2 year average
** would move DOWN 1 tier with a 2 year average
Ratings were retrieved from: Sagarin Ratings
That link provides the 2020 data. To get the 2017-2019 data, I used Wayback Machine
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 10:20 am
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 4:10 pm to BigBro
Not sure how accurate they will be considering Oklahoma and Texas didn't play in the SEC.
Does anyone think Oklahoma is going to the playoffs 4 times if it's in the SEC? Or does it more likely meet those same teams they lost to in the playoffs 3 out of 4 times in conference and get left out?
Also, it's pretty obvious why you choose 4 years.
Does anyone think Oklahoma is going to the playoffs 4 times if it's in the SEC? Or does it more likely meet those same teams they lost to in the playoffs 3 out of 4 times in conference and get left out?
Also, it's pretty obvious why you choose 4 years.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 4:12 pm to 3down10
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Does anyone think Oklahoma is going to the playoffs 4 times if it's in the SEC?
Only if they expand the play off for 12, then you could make a case for them being a frequent visitor.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 4:17 pm to 3down10
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Does anyone think Oklahoma is going to the playoffs 4 times if it's in the SEC?
No way in hell.
They had the easiest path to the playoff besides maybe Oregon/USC/Clemson
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 8/3/21 at 4:18 pm to 3down10
quote:Because that was one full graduating class?
Also, it's pretty obvious why you choose 4 years.
Regardless, can you blame us from distancing ourselves from Charlie Strong as much as humanly possible?
Posted on 8/3/21 at 4:18 pm to BigBro
Posted on 8/3/21 at 4:23 pm to BigBro
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24 Florida (67,13,10,7)
No outlier there at all.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 4:23 pm to BigBro
SOG already did this thread.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 4:53 pm to 3down10
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Not sure how accurate they will be considering Oklahoma and Texas didn't play in the SEC.
Agreed. It is hard to accurately predict how good teams are that don’t play each other. Even then, teams have good days and bad days.. Players get hurt.. Players get healthy.. The weather changes.. it is all speculation.
Texas lost by 7 to LSU in 2019 at Home
A&M lost by 43 to LSU in 2019 at LSU.
Does that mean Texas is better than A&M?
No it doesn’t. There is no way to accurately know.
These ratings are only speculative.. but they are probably in the right ballpark. That is why I used tiers. My thought process is that teams in the same tier are about equal. Either team could win on a given day. It’s also possible for a Tier 4 team to beat a Tier 1 or 2 team, but not likely.
I also looked at how the tiers changed based on the 2, 3 or 4 year average. Only the ones I listed with an * or ** would change based on that.
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Also, it's pretty obvious why you choose 4 years.
I actually started the process because I was analyzing Tom Herman’s record and losses. Based on the Sagarin Ratings, perhaps Tom deserved some more time. 27-17-15-10 is definitely in the right direction, especially since we lost 3 games in 2020 by a combined 5 points at the end of regulation.
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Does anyone think Oklahoma is going to the playoffs 4 times if it's in the SEC? Or does it more likely meet those same teams they lost to in the playoffs 3 out of 4 times in conference and get left out?
2017 OU gave Georgia all they could handle pushing them to 2OT. That same Georgia team was whipping Alabama until Tua came in..
2019 LSU and 2020 Alabama were just that much better than everyone else..
Posted on 8/3/21 at 4:59 pm to BigBro
you forgot Sewanee dumbass
Posted on 8/3/21 at 5:01 pm to bigDgator
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24 Florida (67,13,10,7)
No outlier there at all.
Agreed. These same rankings next year would have Florida in Tier 1 if they finish this year in the Top 10.
One other thing I should have said..
Gus was pretty damn good at Auburn.
Gus beat Saban 3 times.
Auburn had an average rating of 11 over the last 4 years.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 5:05 pm to BigBro
List is shite, because Texas and Oklahoma didn't play SEC schedules.
You're automatically tier 4, junior.
You're automatically tier 4, junior.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 5:07 pm to BigBro
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61 Tennessee
Posted on 8/3/21 at 5:12 pm to BigBro
Not trying to say anything one way or the other here, but the better teams each year are put in better TV spots for ratings. If you consistently suck you get buried on SECN+
Look no further than UKs Sag ratings. Started out with that mediocre season as Stoops finally started culling rmthe Joker roster and had full control and then we start playing well and lo and behold our Sag number doubles.
My point is these numbers don't really mean anything other than to say better teams are going to get more eyeballs. That's common sense. Pull the Sag numbers from when Franklin was at Vandy, I bet they jump significantly.
Look no further than UKs Sag ratings. Started out with that mediocre season as Stoops finally started culling rmthe Joker roster and had full control and then we start playing well and lo and behold our Sag number doubles.
My point is these numbers don't really mean anything other than to say better teams are going to get more eyeballs. That's common sense. Pull the Sag numbers from when Franklin was at Vandy, I bet they jump significantly.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 5:17 pm to UKWildcats
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My point is these numbers don't really mean anything other than to say better teams are going to get more eyeballs. That's common sense. Pull the Sag numbers from when Franklin was at Vandy, I bet they jump significantly.
In theory, they should jump because Vanderbilt was a lot better with Franklin.. correct?
This is simply a computer rankings algorithm that measures teams against each other.. It doesn’t have anything to do with how much a team is or isn’t on TV..
Posted on 8/3/21 at 6:04 pm to BigBro
OU goes to the playoff every year but 19 in the sec. they go over UGA even as SEC no 2
Posted on 8/3/21 at 6:18 pm to Boomer00
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OU goes to the playoff every year but 19 in the sec. they go over UGA even as SEC no 2
Playing the same schedule.. I agree. OU was the #2 seed. Where it gets tricky is if you had to play Alabama or Georgia in the regular season and/or SEC Title game. There is no way to know that answer for sure either way. As others have said, playing Oklahoma with 1 week to prepare is very different than playing them with 3 weeks to prepare.
It will be interesting to see what happens either way. Texas needs to get better in a hurry, or we will get our shite kicked in.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:09 pm to BigBro
Our lowest rated season appears to be the year we had the best UGA team I’ve seen since I’ve been alive versus three other teams that were on par with the highs of the Richt era. Makes sense.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:16 pm to BigBro
quote:Yeah. He was there... like 09-11? I get how it works, I'm just saying the traditional brands pretty well always have a steady draw but teams like Vandy in my example I'm sure see a huge uptick those seasons.
In theory, they should jump because Vanderbilt was a lot better with Franklin.. correct?
I'd like to see what States rating was with Dak that year for another example.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:58 pm to UKWildcats
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I'd like to see what States rating was with Dak that year for another example.
Link: 2015 Final Sagarin Ratings
Mississippi State 18
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