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re: Sadly, the Marshall situation could easily happen to any SEC team

Posted on 12/16/24 at 11:33 am to
Posted by HogX
Madison, WI
Member since Dec 2012
5382 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 11:33 am to
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Make the portal a 1 time thing or limit it to juniors and seniors.


I'm no legal expert, but it seems to me that all these "change the transfer portal rules" ideas ain't happening based on the DOJ settlement with the NCAA.

NCAA Permanently Ends Transfer Restrictions in Settlement with DOJ
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34685 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 11:34 am to
It will literally take an act of Congress to fix it.

The current breakage is due to judges, which means no one in the sport have the power to fix it.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
66887 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 11:36 am to
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Screw it just ditch the bowls and make the playoffs like FCS.

The bowls are pretty much dead, anyway. Schools/ADs regularly lose money on them, there is little excitement from players, most fans don't travel.....on and on. Bowls don't matter anymore.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
130553 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 11:38 am to
Given how poorly we played last season, we would be lucky if it happened to us. And we could get a new coach.
Posted by BevoBucks
H-town
Member since Dec 2022
5791 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 11:52 am to
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I expect all proud Auburn alumni to donate handsomely to the fund right after cut their checks to St Judes, and to Red Cross.
Well played. Proud alum. But my financial support goes to the academic side.
Posted by Bwmdx
Member since Dec 2018
3200 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 11:56 am to
Down to 2 running backs and 2 qbs on the roster and 6 scholarship OL. Surprised it hasn’t already happened.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
21923 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 12:21 pm to
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Tie NIL, at least partially, to bowl game participation. Problem solved.

They can't.

There are 2 issues, and both are extremely clear in the eyes of the court.

1st, NIL deals. That's "Name, Image or Likeness"; a person can sell theirs, if they can and want to. Circle K can pay you to display a photo of you buying a Thirstbuster. If you agree to do so, there is no legal way to prevent this, so long as you don't have a reason you can't (non-compete, etc).
That's technically what the NIL deals are, as they are not allowed to 'officially' be tied to attending a school. It's just a marketing deal.
Example: Bob is the QB at State U. Bob has a deal with the local Chevy dealership. Bob get paid to be in a commercial and some photos at the dealership. Legally, the deal is between the dealership and Bob, and State is not involved.

2nd, the portal. That's simply the right to attend a school.
Let's say you are at the local community college taking random classes. You discover you can go to Harvard next semester, tuition paid, etc.
The community college can not block that, saying you were committed to them first and they have you for x number of years.
That's the concept of the portal. A normal student has the right to apply to any school in the country, and if accepted they can enroll and attend. The courts have ruled that athletes retain that right.

That's why the portal dates are what they are... between semesters. You can't transfer mid-semester. You could leave midsemester, but would need to wait until the next semester to start elsewhere. A responsible person would take finals and finish their semester, then start the application asap to have everything ready in time for the next.

Very simply, there's no means to block either of these, that would stand up to a legal challenge. Bama would not be able to prevent Jaden Milroe (for example) from transferring to another school, just as they can't stop him from declaring for the draft, enlisting in the military, or dropping out to become a bum. Their people could advise him against those actions before the act, but he isn't their property, he can do as he chooses.
Posted by EatsleepdrinkLSU
Member since Dec 2024
21 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 1:41 pm to
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I’m not sure how much the NCAA can do to limit some of the portal and NIL stuff without those new limits also getting struck down by courts.


I think you're 100% correct, but at some point, something has to give. For so long, it was the coaches that were leaving for greener pastures, but now with both being allowed to leave, fans are going to lose interest because the best players that were on their team are going to be on another team.

The worst part is this situation is just starting, so who knows what the future will hold!
Posted by BevoBucks
H-town
Member since Dec 2022
5791 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 1:43 pm to
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fans are going to lose interest
Ratings were super healthy & the playoffs are likely to take in even more.
Posted by Murph4HOF
A-T-L-A-N-T-A (that's where I stay)
Member since Sep 2019
15516 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 1:44 pm to
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the Marshall situation could easily happen to any SEC team, regardless of what team we support.
I'm going to disagree with you.

Marshall just won their conference and the AD wouldn't renew the HC's contract. That would not happen at any SEC program.
Posted by Chingon Ag
Member since Nov 2018
3492 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 1:47 pm to
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Screw it just ditch the bowls and make the playoffs like FCS.


I completely agree that bowl games need to die a quick death. The FCS or DII formats should be the model for FBS moving into 2025.
Posted by Vol92
Member since Mar 2009
669 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 1:50 pm to
That would be illegal

What if your company said if you leave your job, you have to give them half your salary for the next year from your new job

I bet you’d sign right up for that
Posted by Vol92
Member since Mar 2009
669 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 1:51 pm to
That is illegal

Can you do that to normal students that are transferring to another school?

No you cannot, so you can’t do that to student athletes. That would be illegal
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
69050 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 1:56 pm to
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Marshall just won their conference and the AD wouldn't renew the HC's contract.

My understanding isn't that they wouldn't extend him but that they could never agree on terms. I believe his buyout was a point of contention. He turned down multiple extension offers from Marshall before the season started. This has been going on all season with the two sides. They ultimately decided to part ways, and their coach signed with Southern Miss. Huff got a pretty nominal raise going to Southern Miss (about a $70,000 raise). It's a pretty odd situation. I'd look at it more like you see in contract negotiations with pro players who hold out and play through the last year of their contract with no new deal in place thereafter.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
19299 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 2:03 pm to
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That is illegal
Maybe

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No you cannot, so you can’t do that to student athletes. That would be illegal
Look up Grant-in-aid programs. Maybe you can, maybe you can’t depending on contract language. A football scholarship probably more closely resembles this than your standard student scholarship.

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No you cannot, so you can’t do that to student athletes. That would be illegal
I never said they couldn’t, I’m pointing out if they are in scholarships, receive additional benefits students on academic for example scholarships receive which can put them into a different position. Especially when the same benefits may not exist in another school.
Posted by Vol92
Member since Mar 2009
669 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 2:06 pm to
What you suggested is illegal. There is no maybe, it is illegal

Cannot do that
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
19299 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 2:12 pm to
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What you suggested is illegal. There is no maybe, it is illegal
Never written a contract have you?
Posted by Vol92
Member since Mar 2009
669 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 2:21 pm to
They don’t sign those type of contracts and until they do, it is illegal

Why would any player sign a contract that limits their ability of free movement? Watch what happens to the first team that tries it
Posted by Soonerd78
Member since Sep 2024
1675 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 2:22 pm to
It’s has happened OU and we still playing .
Posted by Tackle74
Columbia, MO
Member since Mar 2012
5421 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 2:27 pm to
Only thing that will stop the craziness is to make players and schools use contracts. Set them at 2 or 3 years. Players cannot go antime they feel hurt and the teams cannot pulll their scholorship without paying them. To do so though would make the palyers employees of the University with the rights of a worker.
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