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re: RIP college sports? Dartmouth athletes allowed to unionize
Posted on 2/5/24 at 5:57 pm to TheCheshireHog
Posted on 2/5/24 at 5:57 pm to TheCheshireHog
[quote]frick unions. Keep that shite out of the south.[/quote
It’s going to be interesting to see how it works in right to work states.
It’s going to be interesting to see how it works in right to work states.
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 6:49 pm to Landmass
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You don't know anything about unions or their practices apparently. Unions are basically organized crime. They won't help players or schools. They will only enrich themselves while destroying the sport.
Like the NFL players union... The MLB players union... The NHL players union... Etc...
At this point, for the NCAA or anyone else to govern college athletics (football and basketball specifically) there needs to be agreed upon rules and the ability to enforce those rules. The only way to get there is for the conferences, school, and players to all come to an agreement where they all agreed to be governed by those rules. The only way for that to happen, is for a players union (where the players are then obligated to follow the agreed upon rules) so a CBA can be put into place.
Yes, it's a minor league NFL, but it's better than the current set up which will kill off college football sooner rather than later. There's no putting transferring, NIL issues, etc. back in the bottle. It's impossible to go back to College Football in 2000. Best case scenario now is a CBA where rules are put in place and enforced evenly.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 6:51 pm to TheCheshireHog
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frick unions. Keep that shite out of the south.
If you are old enough to remember company towns you might feel differently.
To be fair when the mob took them over and then they just became another bloated entity like religion and politics it was no longer good for the working man.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 6:52 pm to hawgfaninc
BTW, isn't Dartmouth the one with "Keggy the Beer Keg" mascot?
Posted on 2/5/24 at 6:55 pm to OleVaught14
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The only way to get there is for the conferences, school, and players to all come to an agreement where they all agreed to be governed by those rules.
The problem is that the “players” are only there for 4 years. If they are actually good it’s less. They are only a short term stake holder, and that makes them incredibly difficult to negotiate with.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 7:01 pm to BigBinBR
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The problem is that the “players” are only there for 4 years. If they are actually good it’s less. They are only a short term stake holder, and that makes them incredibly difficult to negotiate with.
Absolutely, and I'm not saying it's an easy or perfect solution, but I do think it's the best chance the game has.
Idk if incoming freshman would vote to ratify the current agreement every year or re-negotiate. Maybe an entity is appointed as a fiduciary for the players (voted in year one on a set contract).
Or like the NFL - incoming players either sign it or play somewhere else and they get a say at the set re-negotiation period.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 7:04 pm to hawgfaninc
NCAA News: Dartmouth Basketball Players Considered "School Employees"
By Evan Crowell, 2 hrs ago
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Amid the ongoing NCAA investigation at the University of Tennessee, any news about the power structure of collegiate athletics is notable for the Vols. On Monday, an interesting development occurred in the courts - a National Labor Relations Board in Boston ordered a union elect for the men's basketball team at the University of Dartmouth. They cited that the school's basketball players are considered school employees.
"Because Dartmouth has the right to control the work performed by the Dartmouth men’s basketball team, and the players perform that work in exchange for compensation, I find that the petitioned-for basketball players are employees within the meaning of the [National Labor Relations] Act." - Laura Sacks, NLRB regional director
If adopted across the NCAA, the ability to unionize could be noteworthy for college athletics. College athletes could unionize and negotiate collective bargaining agreements with television providers, giving them a share of the steep revenue college football has generated over the past several years.
The NCAA is currently investigating Tennessee for recruiting starting quarterback Nico Iamaleava . The case relates to an agreement with Spyre Sports that they report Iamaleava signed before his playing career at the University of Tennessee. Several university members have come forward and vehemently denied the allegations , filing a lawsuit against the NCAA alongside the Commonwealth of Virginia. Tennessee offensive lineman Jackson Lampley filed a six-page declaration to courts last week and is listed as a defendant in the suit.
By Evan Crowell, 2 hrs ago
VolunteerCountry
VolunteerCountry
Following
Amid the ongoing NCAA investigation at the University of Tennessee, any news about the power structure of collegiate athletics is notable for the Vols. On Monday, an interesting development occurred in the courts - a National Labor Relations Board in Boston ordered a union elect for the men's basketball team at the University of Dartmouth. They cited that the school's basketball players are considered school employees.
"Because Dartmouth has the right to control the work performed by the Dartmouth men’s basketball team, and the players perform that work in exchange for compensation, I find that the petitioned-for basketball players are employees within the meaning of the [National Labor Relations] Act." - Laura Sacks, NLRB regional director
If adopted across the NCAA, the ability to unionize could be noteworthy for college athletics. College athletes could unionize and negotiate collective bargaining agreements with television providers, giving them a share of the steep revenue college football has generated over the past several years.
The NCAA is currently investigating Tennessee for recruiting starting quarterback Nico Iamaleava . The case relates to an agreement with Spyre Sports that they report Iamaleava signed before his playing career at the University of Tennessee. Several university members have come forward and vehemently denied the allegations , filing a lawsuit against the NCAA alongside the Commonwealth of Virginia. Tennessee offensive lineman Jackson Lampley filed a six-page declaration to courts last week and is listed as a defendant in the suit.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 7:17 pm to hawgfaninc
I think no matter what agents or unions they make up the NCAA would have the upper hand long term. They can always kill college sports and the money will disappear.
I know either way it will stop football (and other sports) but the union can only push so far before it destories itself.
I know either way it will stop football (and other sports) but the union can only push so far before it destories itself.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 7:21 pm to hawgfaninc
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This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 2/5/24 at 7:22 pm to hawgfaninc
Well, if college athletes are eventually considered employees then they can be signed to multi-year employment contracts which would mitigate a lot of the transfer portal stuff.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 7:23 pm to OleVaught14
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Yes, it's a minor league NFL, but it's better than the current set up which will kill off college football
You are focusing on football but this will apply to ALL college athletics.
How are different sports that have didfeeent value and bring in different revenue (a lot of them produce negative revenue) going to collectively bargain?
Or are you going to have a different union for each sport. That will be a disaster for schools.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 7:24 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
Boston courts just said Dartmouth basketball players can unionized. But I live in Georgia. I can understand your confusion.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 7:27 pm to Loganville Vols
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Boston courts just said Dartmouth basketball players can unionized. But I live in Georgia
Just curious. Was this a federal court decisions?
Otherwise, How does a Boston court have jurisdiction over a school in Mew Hampshire
Posted on 2/5/24 at 7:27 pm to Rabern57
The NCAA has lost every court case on this subject so far. I think that’s why the big 10 and SEC commissioners and AD’s had a meeting to figure out what they were going to do.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 7:37 pm to dallastigers
They just need to move this along. Minimum NIL/salary for players and salary cap for the school.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 7:43 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
The article said it was a regional court.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 7:53 pm to hawgfaninc
The death of college Football.
I certainly won't be watching if it
Happens. Already bad enough.
I certainly won't be watching if it
Happens. Already bad enough.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 8:24 pm to Arktigers
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I find that the petitioned-for basketball players are employees within the meaning of the [National Labor Relations] Act." - Laura Sacks, NLRB regional director
Another government official mouthing off prior to the upcoming Loper - Bright Supreme Court decision.
College sports are small potatoes in comparison to the massive implications of what will happen if the government bureaucrats win and are able to impose their stamp of opinion upon every aspect of society.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 8:27 pm to hawgfaninc
About time. Unions are great 
Posted on 2/5/24 at 8:42 pm to pioneerbasketball
It’s just going take one lawyer to sit down and figure out the following:
If players are now considered employees will they also fall under state labor laws, payroll taxes, etc.?
If players are now considered employees will they also fall under state labor laws, payroll taxes, etc.?
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