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re: Pretend LSU beats Alabama in 2 weeks..
Posted on 10/25/19 at 11:41 am to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 10/25/19 at 11:41 am to SummerOfGeorge
So, you DO think it would impress the committee?
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Posted on 10/25/19 at 11:42 am to LSU Patrick
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So, you DO think it would impress the committee?
Again, weird, and makes no sense.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 11:44 am to SummerOfGeorge
Of course it does. Only Bama fans would use Duke as a measuring stick.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 11:45 am to LSU Patrick
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Only Bama fans would use Duke as a measuring stick.
You are literally the only person strangely using Duke's pass defense, specifically, as a measuring stick right now in this discussion.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 11:48 am to SummerOfGeorge
Just making fun of you for having used them as a measuring stick before. 
Posted on 10/25/19 at 11:51 am to LSU Patrick
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Just making fun of you for having used them as a measuring stick before.
It was week 1, what other measuring sticks did we have
?Posted on 10/25/19 at 11:52 am to SummerOfGeorge
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It was week 1, what other measuring sticks did we have
Fair enough
Posted on 10/25/19 at 11:54 am to BHMKyle
If tua doesn’t play, they will use that to push for a rematch. Book it.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 11:55 am to RBWilliams8
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If tua doesn’t play, they will use that to push for a rematch. Book it.
Now I could see this (I'm not endorsing it, but I could see it).
However, it sounds pretty obvious that Tua is going to be playing barring some major unforeseen setback.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 1:04 pm to RB10
Imagine one playoff spot for the following teams:
1 loss Bama (no conference championship)
1 loss Notre Dame
1 loss ACC champ Clemson
2 loss Pac 12 champ Oregon
Undefeated Sunbelt champ App State
Undefeated AAC champ SMU
Who should get it?
1 loss Bama (no conference championship)
1 loss Notre Dame
1 loss ACC champ Clemson
2 loss Pac 12 champ Oregon
Undefeated Sunbelt champ App State
Undefeated AAC champ SMU
Who should get it?
Posted on 10/25/19 at 1:06 pm to kingbob
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Imagine one playoff spot for the following teams:
1 loss Bama (no conference championship)
1 loss Notre Dame
1 loss ACC champ Clemson
2 loss Pac 12 champ Oregon
Undefeated Sunbelt champ App State
Undefeated AAC champ SMU
Who should get it?
I strongly believe that 1 loss ACC champion clemson would get it, based on what we know about the committee up to this point in time. I don't believe they would necessarily deserve it, as ND and Bama would both have stronger wins and better losses. But I doubt a 1 loss ACC champ woudl be left out for a 1-loss non conf champ.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 1:08 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Clemson's schedule is possibly the worst major P5 schedule (especially when you tack on another crappy game in Charlotte) for a true title contender in years.
Exactly. And they'll get a pass as long as the next best team is somebody like Oregon. But the second that 4/5 line becomes a test between Clemson vs. Alabama, suddenly the talking heads are going to want to zero in on that soft schedule.
The way I see it, Clemson's schedule is no different than UCF in 2017 or Boise State several years back when they'd run the table. It's horrendous. And if you are going to play a schedule that soft, you better tear through it like an NFL team playing a junior high school team.
... Clemson hasn't done that. They needed OT to beat North Carolina already.
I have no doubt Bama is a better team than Clemson this season and I think everyone would agree with that. So if Bama loses to LSU but otherwise blows out every opponent, there is going to be a big debate about who should go to the playoff.
People are crazy if they think Clemson is going to ultimately win that debate.
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I personally think Clemson at this point is right at or near Alabama in terms of "respect" given by the national media/hierarchy,
You are mistaken. They might have been there in January, but when you have to go to OT to beat North Carolina, that respect flies out the window. If Clemson had as much respect as Alabama, they wouldn't start the year #1... then slide to #2... then slide to #3... and now slide to #4 all without losing a game.
Their slide from #1 to #4 while staying unbeaten is a perfect metaphor for how much respect they have currently. Right now, its not as much as you think.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 1:10 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Now I could see this (I'm not endorsing it, but I could see it).
However, it sounds pretty obvious that Tua is going to be playing barring some major unforeseen setback.
Again though, if Bama loses it doesn't really matter how healthy Tua's ankle is.... the decision will be made that he wasn't 100% which is why Bama lost the game.
I'm telling you, if Bama loses that game just go ahead and start noticing the mental gymnastics folks will start doing to go from, "An undefeated Power 5 Champ should never be left out" to "LEAVE OUT CLEMSON!!" in a matter of 6 weeks or so.
It will happen.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 1:41 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I personally think Clemson at this point is right at or near Alabama in terms of "respect" given by the national media/hierarchy
To show how this is not the case:
Going into the North Carolina game, Clemson was ranked #1 in the AP Poll with 1543 AP Points that week. Following a narrow, 1-point victory, Clemson fell to #2 but their AP Points dropped to 426..... that's a 117 point drop (nearly 2 spots per voter) for a 5-0 defending champ because of a close win that shouldn't have been so close.
How does this compare to some shaky Alabama performances?
In 2017, Alabama played a 7-2 Mississippi State team that went toe-to-toe with Bama for the entire game. This was a State team with zero impressive wins and two completely lopsided defeats against the two decent teams they had played (losses combined for 67 point deficit) . State led 24-17 with 10 minutes to play, and Bama didn't score the go-ahead touchdown until 25 seconds left in the game.
Alabama was #1 in the country in the AP Poll going into that game with 1,520 AP Points.... the next week, they stayed #1 and saw their AP Points RISE to 1,521.
In 2016, Alabama went to Oxford to face Ole Miss... a team that was 1-1 on the season. The Rebels enjoyed a two touchdown lead in the first half. Ultimately Bama held on to win 48-43.
Alabama entered #1 in the AP Poll with 1520 points. The next week they stayed #1 with 1,510 points. Only 10 of 62 voters felt the need to drop them a spot on their ballots.
In 2014, Alabama faced 3-2 Arkansas. The Hogs led 13-7 well into the 4th quarter before Alabama finally scored the go-ahead TD to finally win 14-13.
Alabama entered the week #7 because they were coming off a home loss to Ole Miss..... the next week, despite struggling for the 2nd consecutive week and barely beating a horrendous Arkansas team, Bama stayed put at #7 and increased their AP Points from 1,060 to 1,068. Any other team would have fallen another 3-4 spots in the polls.
My point is not that any of this was not justified. My point is that Alabama has the respect of the voters so much so that if they struggle when they shouldn't, they don't slip on any ballots.
Clemson obviously does not have that respect. They lost 117 points in the AP Poll despite winning. That doesn't happen to Alabama. Ever.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 1:49 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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However, it sounds pretty obvious that Tua is going to be playing barring some major unforeseen setback.
I've come around to wanting Tua to be 100% against LSU. Losing to Tua means we might still make the playoff.
Beating Tua keeps Bama out, probably.
Beating Tua-less Bama would mean an asterisk and a rematch.
Losing to Tua-less Bama would just be embarrassing.
This all assumes we beat Auburn, which won't be easy. Won't be easy for Bama to beat them either.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 1:56 pm to BHMKyle
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Going into the North Carolina game, Clemson was ranked #1 in the AP Poll with 1543 AP Points that week. Following a narrow, 1-point victory, Clemson fell to #2 but their AP Points dropped to 426..... that's a 117 point drop (nearly 2 spots per voter) for a 5-0 defending champ because of a close win that shouldn't have been so close.
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In 2017, Alabama played a 7-2 Mississippi State team that went toe-to-toe with Bama for the entire game. This was a State team with zero impressive wins and two completely lopsided defeats against the two decent teams they had played (losses combined for 67 point deficit) . State led 24-17 with 10 minutes to play, and Bama didn't score the go-ahead touchdown until 25 seconds left in the game.
State was 7-2 with 2 losses to Top 10 teams and ranked in the Top 20 at the time.
North Carolina was 2-2 and coming off a loss to Appalachian State.
On top of that - it was early in the year with 6 other undefeated options. In 2017, the other undefeated options were Miami and Wisconsin - teams who had shown far more flaws than Alabama.
So, not really comparable at all.
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In 2016, Alabama went to Oxford to face Ole Miss... a team that was 1-1 on the season. The Rebels enjoyed a two touchdown lead in the first half. Ultimately Bama held on to win 48-43.
Alabama entered #1 in the AP Poll with 1520 points. The next week they stayed #1 with 1,510 points. Only 10 of 62 voters felt the need to drop them a spot on their ballots.
Ole Miss was ranked #19 in the country and their only loss to that point was against what was, at the time, #2 ranked Florida State in a close game.
So again, not really the same thing.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 2:00 pm to BHMKyle
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2017 is the same thing. Ohio State despite having two losses DESERVED the spot ahead of Alabama. The committee tells us Conference Championships are supposed to matter greatly. Yes, Ohio State had 2 losses to Alabama's one.... but they also won their Conference while Bama failed to win their division.
Ohio State played #2, #6, and #9, and #16 that season.
Alabama played #7, #17, and #23
Bama didn't have a single win over a Top 15 team. A team without a Top 15 win who doesn't win their division should have zero claim to a Playoff spot ahead of a conference champ that has two Top 10 wins on their resume. Replace Alabama with any other team's name with the same resume and it would have never been a debate... Ohio State would have gotten in.
Sometimes the committee claims that strength of schedule matter, other times, they don't. The problem is they've never really told us which criteria has priority over the others.
In this case, Bama was taken in spite of the fact they lost to the best team they played and only beat 2 low end top Top 25 team, not because of their name, but because Ohio State was disqualified.
Ohio State played and beat 3 of the 4 Top 16 teams they played losing only to #2 Oklahoma, a very strong schedule. In week 9 before the Iowa game, OSU was #6 in the CFP ranking, easily in a position to make the playoff, but a 24-55 loss to a 7-5 Iowa was too big of an aw-shite to overcome. It was OSU's playoff disqualifier. It's not 2 losses that does a team in, it's one horrible loss of the two. Had Auburn finished as an 11-2 champ, they would have easily made the playoff that year even with two losses.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 2:02 pm to BHMKyle
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When LSU beats Alabama in 2 weeks..
FIFY
Posted on 10/26/19 at 2:26 am to SummerOfGeorge
Just to be clear, I meant the media would be pushing for that scenario.
Posted on 10/26/19 at 6:22 am to BHMKyle
Four undefeated conference champions never happens. Ever.
If this is that year they aren’t passing up pitting those four together in the playoffs. Would be epic.
But again, it would be unprecedented. We’ll end up with a couple with losses.
If this is that year they aren’t passing up pitting those four together in the playoffs. Would be epic.
But again, it would be unprecedented. We’ll end up with a couple with losses.
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