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re: Pretend LSU beats Alabama in 2 weeks..
Posted on 10/25/19 at 10:22 am to BHMKyle
Posted on 10/25/19 at 10:22 am to BHMKyle
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Does Clemson get that last Playoff spot over 11-1 Alabama?
it is ASTOUNDING the amount of PTSD people have over 2017. Unfricking believable.
No, Kyle...a 13-0 ACC champion is not getting left out for an 11-1 team that didn't win their division. FFS.
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Posted on 10/25/19 at 10:24 am to sand mountainDvalues
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Of course an undefeated, defending national champion gets in you retard
If you think the Committee is going to easily leave out a 1-loss Alabama team then you haven't been paying attention. Bama ALWAYS gets the benefit of the doubt.
Here's the other thing, Bama and Clemson will have two common opponents to compare:
Clemson beat Texas A&M by 14 points at home
Alabama beat Texas A&M by 19 points on the road
Alabama beat S. Carolina by 24 points on the road.
Suppose Clemson struggles and only beats the Gamecocks by 7 or 14 points.... do you really think those games are not going to be put into focus?
Never mind the fact that Clemson had to go to Overtime to beat North Carolina.
If the Committee has to face the decision of leaving out an 11-1 Alabama team, they are going to look at all these facts above and come to the conclusion that Bama is simply the better team and the only reason they have one loss is because they played a much tougher schedule.
... and they'd probably be right, but that still doesn't make it fair.
I will call it right now. Bama has to lose twice to not make the Playoff.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 10:24 am to GeauxWarTigers
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Only way 11-1 Alabama gets in the playoff is if their are only 3 undefeated P5 teams.
that's not true at all. 1 loss P5 champs are also higher in the pecking order. If Clemson, OU, and OSU all won their conferences with 1 loss (to go along with LSU as the sec champion) bama still isn't getting in.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 10:25 am to BHMKyle
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If you think the Committee is going to easily leave out a 1-loss Alabama team then you haven't been paying attention. Bama ALWAYS gets the benefit of the doubt.
No they fricking don't. Maybe you need to pay attention. Here is every decision the committee has ever made: LINK
Know how many times they've put in a non conf champion over a P5 champion with less than 2 losses? Zero. None. It's never happened.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 10:25 am to BHMKyle
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Does Clemson get that last Playoff spot over 11-1 Alabama?
Yes, undefeated, conference champ, plus 44-16.
Contrary to popular belief, Alabama is not actually entitled to be in the CFB playoffs.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 10:26 am to GeauxWarTigers
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Better question:
11-1 Alabama (loss to LSU)
12-1 UF/UGA (SEC Champ Winner)
12-1 LSU (SEC Runner up)
Only 2 undefeated P5 champions in the other 4 conferences.
If the SEC gets a 2nd team in with 1 loss is it UA that didn't win their division or LSU that lost the SECCG, but beat UA?
LSU and the SECCG winner gets in. If LSU makes it to the SECCG undefeated, they are in, no matter what in your scenario.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 10:29 am to rolltide1283
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Better question:
11-1 Alabama (loss to LSU)
12-1 UF/UGA (SEC Champ Winner)
12-1 LSU (SEC Runner up)
Only 2 undefeated P5 champions in the other 4 conferences.
If the SEC gets a 2nd team in with 1 loss is it UA that didn't win their division or LSU that lost the SECCG, but beat UA?
LSU and the SECCG winner gets in.
I disagree. We have 2 P5 champions (don't know what conference). We have a 1-loss SEC champ which is in (bei it UF or UGA according to this). That still leaves 2 other conferences that we don't know their situation. A 1-loss P5 conf champion is getting in over a 1 loss bama or lsu that didn't win their conference.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 10:32 am to rolltide1283
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If LSU makes it to the SECCG undefeated, they are in, no matter what in your scenario.
In 2017 Wisconsin was 12-0 and in the playoffs then lost the Big 10 championship and fell to 6th.
Yall don't realize how much help you need if you don't win your conference.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 10:38 am to WG_Dawg
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No, Kyle...a 13-0 ACC champion is not getting left out for an 11-1 team that didn't win their division. FFS.
Tell me when Alabama has not received the benefit of the doubt when there is a debate?
2009- Bama and OK State are both 11-1. OK State has a conference Championship but Bama does not. Alabama's one loss was at HOME to a team that the media decides they should get a rematch with despite the fact that game had already been played on Bama's home field. Not saying Bama wasn't the better team, but that decision was completely not fair to LSU who beat them when it was supposed to matter in Tuscaloosa. LSU played a much tougher schedule that season (Top 5 Oregon), had to play an extra game in the SEC Championship Game, and the committee basically said that it wasn't good enough, that Bama should get another shot at them despite the results on the field. It was more unfair to LSU than it was to OK State.... but either way, whether Bama was the best team in the country (which they likely were), they were given a second chance when they in no way deserved it.
2017 is the same thing. Ohio State despite having two losses DESERVED the spot ahead of Alabama. The committee tells us Conference Championships are supposed to matter greatly. Yes, Ohio State had 2 losses to Alabama's one.... but they also won their Conference while Bama failed to win their division.
Ohio State played #2, #6, and #9, and #16 that season.
Alabama played #7, #17, and #23
Bama didn't have a single win over a Top 15 team. A team without a Top 15 win who doesn't win their division should have zero claim to a Playoff spot ahead of a conference champ that has two Top 10 wins on their resume. Replace Alabama with any other team's name with the same resume and it would have never been a debate... Ohio State would have gotten in.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 10:40 am to BHMKyle
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2017 is the same thing. Ohio State despite having two losses DESERVED the spot ahead of Alabama.
Ohio State 2 losses (1 to Iowa by 30) vs Alabama 1 loss
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2009- Bama and OK State are both 11-1.
It was 2011, and both had 1 loss
Alabama has never gotten in over a P5 conference champ with less losses, not to mention one that is undefeated.
This isn't even a discussion.
This post was edited on 10/25/19 at 10:46 am
Posted on 10/25/19 at 10:42 am to WG_Dawg
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Yall don't realize how much help you need if you don't win your conference.
Alabama made the Championship Game / Playoff in both 2011 and 2017 without winning their conference.
Yes, I know exactly how much "help you need if you don't win you're conference," and Bama always seems to get that needed help.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 10:42 am to WG_Dawg
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disagree. We have 2 P5 champions (don't know what conference). We have a 1-loss SEC champ which is in (bei it UF or UGA according to this). That still leaves 2 other conferences that we don't know their situation. A 1-loss P5 conf champion is getting in over a 1 loss bama or lsu that didn't win their conference.
If OU and OSU are undefeated, I could see LSU with 1 loss to UGA/UF getting in over a 1 loss Clemson that wins the ACC. The schedule will come in to play and LSU is without a doubt better than CU.
I could be wrong about what the committee does but that's what I would do. They love the eye test and everyone can honestly say that LSU is better than CU.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 10:42 am to BHMKyle
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Ohio State played #2, #6, and #9, and #16 that season.
Alabama played #7, #17, and #23
Bama didn't have a single win over a Top 15 team. A team without a Top 15 win who doesn't win their division should have zero claim to a Playoff spot ahead of a conference champ that has two Top 10 wins on their resume. Replace Alabama with any other team's name with the same resume and it would have never been a debate... Ohio State would have gotten in.
Alabama was ranked higher in every single computer metric, including the old BCS formula.
You can argue whatever you want to argue, but saying it was some sort of bias towards Alabama and nobody else would get it is just flat out false.
The playoff committee agreed with every faceless metric that doesn't know Alabama from Idaho.
This post was edited on 10/25/19 at 10:45 am
Posted on 10/25/19 at 10:46 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Ohio State 2 losses (1 to Iowa by 30) vs Alabama 1 loss
Yes but Ohio State had a conference Championship and Bama didn't win their division.... and they tell us conference championships are meaningful. Shouldn't that counteract that to some degree?
Then add in the fact that one of Ohio State's losses was to the #2 team.... and they had wins over #6 and #9.
Bama didn't have a single Top 15 win and their loss was to a team with 3-losses on the year.
If the roles were reversed and Ohio State had gotten in without winning their division and Alabama was left out as SEC Champs, Bama fans would have had a conniption fit and you know it. Tell me I'm wrong and Bama fans would have all agreed in unison that they should be left out despite winning the SEC? Surely you aren't going to say that would have been the case.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 10:49 am to BHMKyle
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Yes but Ohio State had a conference Championship and Bama didn't win their division
Ok, cool, has nothing to do with your overall point.
Ohio State had 2 losses and Alabama had 1
Clemson will have 0 losses and Alabama will have 1
It's completely different and, as I said, Alabama has NEVER bumped a team with less losses than them out of a spot.
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If the roles were reversed and Ohio State had gotten in without winning their division and Alabama was left out as SEC Champs, Bama fans would have had a conniption fit and you know it. Tell me I'm wrong and Bama fans would have all agreed in unison that they should be left out despite winning the SEC? Surely you aren't going to say that would have been the case.
I'm not gonna relitigate 2017, but if Alabama had lost to Kentucky by 30 and lost another game to a good team I would not be having any fits.
Especially when the other team finished ahead of mine in almost every metric, including the old BCS. I'd be irate that we just didn't show up against Kentucky, mainly.
This post was edited on 10/25/19 at 10:51 am
Posted on 10/25/19 at 10:52 am to SummerOfGeorge
The better question would be if Alabama beats LSU in a close one, LSU wins out and Florida and Texas finish strong.
LSU's only loss would be on the road to a Top 2-3 team and they'd have 2-3 Top 20 wins (Texas, Florida, Auburn). I'd guess they'd be ahead of Clemson in pretty much every Strength of Record type metric in that case and could easily argue they played 3-4 teams better than Clemson's best opponent AND their only loss was to a team much much better than anyone Clemson even played.
LSU's only loss would be on the road to a Top 2-3 team and they'd have 2-3 Top 20 wins (Texas, Florida, Auburn). I'd guess they'd be ahead of Clemson in pretty much every Strength of Record type metric in that case and could easily argue they played 3-4 teams better than Clemson's best opponent AND their only loss was to a team much much better than anyone Clemson even played.
This post was edited on 10/25/19 at 10:55 am
Posted on 10/25/19 at 10:53 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I'm not gonna relitigate 2017, but if Alabama had lost to Kentucky by 30 and lost another game to a good team I would not be having any fits.
You know the majority of your fan base would though. The vast majority of Bama fans would say that winning the SEC and having one of its losses to a clear Top 2 team should counteract the fact they had 2 losses.... not to mention their two Top 10 wins vs. the other team's zero.
You know most Bama fans would meltdown over getting left out as SEC Champions.... so don't act like Ohio State didn't have an argument. They did.
Both teams had a legit argument that year and Bama got the benefit of the doubt. That's my entire point. When its a tough decision, Bama gets the nod. They always do.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 10:54 am to BHMKyle
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You know the majority of your fan base would though.
I truly do not care about what the majority of people would do. The majority of fans would argue for whatever worked out for their team no matter the intellectual hoops it would require.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 10:56 am to SummerOfGeorge
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The better question would be if Alabama beats LSU in a close one, LSU wins out and Florida and Texas finish strong.
LSU's only loss would be on the road to a Top 2-3 team and they'd have 2-3 Top 15 wins.
So you're saying a team that doesn't win its division would have an argument of getting in over a team that went undefeated and won its Conference Championship?
Then if you think LSU could do it, why would you think Bama couldn't?
Posted on 10/25/19 at 10:56 am to BHMKyle
Yep
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