re: Predict Mississippi State's Record

Man I really hate when the NCAA meddles with a college program... Buncha dikbutts

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He can't let a top OLine prospect and THE top WR prospect sign with FSU and Miami

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This is not an isolated event that happened only to Dan Mullen. Baton Rouge and Auburn/Opelika players going to Bama. Big time schools miss out on local talent sometimes. Go look at how many FL players are in the top 300 HS recruits. Dan Mullen will get some of those players just by simply being at FL. That didn't happen at MSU because there is significantly less talent in state and the brand isn't as strong. At places like Florida, Georgia, Texas you can make up for a couple lost opportunities.

* I get where your coming from Vecch. but I don't think DM will be MSU DM because his circumstances have now changed.

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I get where your coming from Vecch. but I don't think DM will be MSU DM because his circumstances have now changed

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We are same

Just like we all say that Florida has different expectations, Dan is not a 35 year old first time fire-breathing HC who is looking to make a name. He won't have to do a lot of things that he had to do at MSU, especially during his first 3-4 years

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because of a discount a 3rd string WR used that all other students were allowed to use.

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The guy at the center of the forfeits was a DT. The forfeits were actually for defying an NCAA ruling that the player was ineligible. A court ruled that he was eligible until his appeal was heard. To do otherwise violated his rights to due process. Then there was a long court battle as to whether the court had jurisdiction into an NCAA ruling. 2 years later, the ruling came down from a higher court that the lower court had no say so with the NCAA rulings. The NCAA then made MSU forfeit games he played in even though the university felt compelled to play him during that period because the court had ruled that they had to play him.

It was all rather bizarre. The violations were really, really trivial, and the DT likely would have won the appeal if the judge in question had stayed out of it in the first place.

For those interested in the violation - The DT got a discount on some clothing. The NCAA made him ineligible until he could prove that the discount (about $10) was available to all students and not just athletes.

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THIS is your defense of Mullen?

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You didn't read the rest like how many wins he had or is that all you got from it? You think he was conservative and then went on to compare him to Jackie Wayne?

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dozens of coaches out there who can dial up a conservative gameplan

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All we had last year was a run game. You make it sound like he's stupid for not going Xbox every play against stout defenses and when we don't have the receivers. You want to blame Mullen for all those dropped passes too last year? Even in your post about getting burned on defense against UGA, that's Todd and not Dan.

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he is not a "once-in-a-lifetime" irreplaceable genius.

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And I agreed with you about that. But don't start acting like he did nothing or a bad coach or conservative. He played to strengths like Nick's running, Dak's passing(was he conservative then?), Relf's lumbering. Did he have bad games? Absoulutely.

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Sherrill had a better SEC record, which is really what matters.

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Check the math on that. Dan has a .458 winning percentage to Jackie's .421. Dan is like 3 games below .500 and sherrill is like 8. Also, Sherrill had shitty Kentucky & shitty South Carolina teams every year. Had a shitty LSU, who by the way he could never beat. Up & down Arky & Auburn squads. And Bama at the worst point of their entire existence. You forget those 3 and 4 win Bama & LSU teams? Because he surely wasn't facing the title chasing quads like Bama, Aub, & LSU.

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I just don't think he did anything miraculous.

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Neither do I but he did a lot more than you're willing to give him credit for.

Am I excited about Moorhead? Hell yes. Is he better than Dan? That's still to be seen so I wouldn't anoint him king or an upgrade yet. And all those things you mentioned he's better at than Dan like Spring game, speaking engagements, etc. don't mean squat. right now.

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The guy at the center of the forfeits was a DT. The forfeits were actually for defying an NCAA ruling that the player was ineligible. A court ruled that he was eligible until his appeal was heard. To do otherwise violated his rights to due process. Then there was a long court battle as to whether the court had jurisdiction into an NCAA ruling. 2 years later, the ruling came down from a higher court that the lower court had no say so with the NCAA rulings. The NCAA then made MSU forfeit games he played in even though the university felt compelled to play him during that period because the court had ruled that they had to play him.

It was all rather bizarre. The violations were really, really trivial, and the DT likely would have won the appeal if the judge in question had stayed out of it in the first place.

For those interested in the violation - The DT got a discount on some clothing. The NCAA made him ineligible until he could prove that the discount (about $10) was available to all students and not just athletes.

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The first judge ruling (for MSU) was an Oktibbeha County (circuit?) court judge. The second ruling (against MSU) was by Mississippi Supreme Court, which was full of Ole Miss grads.

I didn't know that the first judge compelled State to play him.

P.S. The storeowner publically stated that he gave the same discount to all students but NCAA refused to allow the storeowner to tell his side of the story.

P.P.S. Congress investigated the NCAA around this time for intimidating witnesses and pressuring schools/players to testify for the NCAA.

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I was saying that Dan's offense is conservative and predictable and holds him back. He simply has no tricks up his sleeve to overcome teams with more talent. You can be creative offensively without passing more often,

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So he never ran counters, traps, screens, jet sweeps? Never went 5 wide? RB never did a wheel route? The jump pass? How many TD passes did Dak catch? How many half-back passes do you want to see a game? I think you just got use to seeing his offense a lot. The RPO is trying to find the mismatch and it's very hard with our talent against teams consistantly ranking in the top 10 recruiting every year.

You want gimmicky like Gus? I guess when I think conservative, I think Les Miles power I or Saban's pro set. Not a read option offense unless the run game is established and effective.

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Dan has no creativity.

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As who? Many coaches think he has one of the more innovative minds on offense. Again, you just got use to seeing him alot.

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but his offense was being shut down with 3-and-outs. When he did start throwing in those games it was because he was behind by a lot and had to to try to catch up.

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His offense was shut down by bigger, faster, stronger guys on the other side and playing away. First play of UGA game was a pass. He's always has a balanced offense.

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So he never ran counters, traps, screens, jet sweeps? Never went 5 wide? RB never did a wheel route? The jump pass? How many TD passes did Dak catch? How many half-back passes do you want to see a game? I think you just got use to seeing his offense a lot. The RPO is trying to find the mismatch and it's very hard with our talent against teams consistantly ranking in the top 10 recruiting every year.

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You are really missing what I'm saying. Its not about fancy trick plays, throwing a lot of passes, or anything like that. But it IS about making unexpected play calls, and creating mismatches, and not running your QB up the middle every third play. You don't think those mismatches can be found against teams like Alabama?...just wait and see this Fall.

Speaking of Dak's 3 receiving TD's, however, how many of those came in big games? Mullen had some trick plays and things, but he only used them against teams he could beat straight up. Rarely tried anything out of the norm against the better teams.

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As who? Many coaches think he has one of the more innovative minds on offense

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I wold really like to have a conversation with those coaches. Mullen did not invent this offense, it is all Urban Meyer's. In the 9 years they have been separated, Urban has added all kinds of wrinkles and changes, while Mullen is still calling the same plays that were in Utah's playbook. Ohio State's current offense bears little resemblence to what MSU has been running, evne when MSU is playing weak OOC opponents.

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His offense was shut down by bigger, faster, stronger guys on the other side and playing away

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Yes, which means his offense does not level the playing field as we were originally told. He had no answer for teams that were able to shut down the read option. While he rarely lost games in which he was favored, he rarely scored upsets either. It's time to get ready for some excitement this season.

5-7

8.5-3.5
Losses to Bama, Burn and LSU with a toss up vs A&M.

New coach and all that jazz. I could see 10-2 though with a healthy Fitz. Losses the the Bama schools.