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re: Predict Mississippi State's Record
Posted on 5/23/18 at 5:57 pm to joeyb147
Posted on 5/23/18 at 5:57 pm to joeyb147
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i love how msu fans went from claiming mullen was the second best coach in the sec to now saying moorehead's gonna be an upgrade
Don't lump me in with this jilted lover syndrome. It's... I don't know. *shaking head*
Now Mullen isn't better than 3 yards and a cloud of dust Sherrill? WTF? How soon they forget that Mullen's game planning kept us in games that we had no business being in due to lack of talent. Even I'm cringing reading crap in this thread. Jackie wasn't playing SEC West teams at the pinnacle of their program's history all at the same time. LSU, Bama, Auburn are winning NC's. Sherrill won the west? Whoopeee. It's only means anything when used against ole miss. Sherrill also managed how many 3 win seasons and brought the NCAA hammer upon us.
The only thing I may agree on is that Mullen will recurit better at Florida than State but he may never finish above both UGA, FSU & Miami unless he wins big there which he will. However, I also believe Mullen is replaceable.
After Mizzou & A&M joined, did he ever finish above 10th in the SEC in recruiting? But still managed to win 41 games in 5 years. The biggest mistake Mullen made was hiring that jackass Sirmon as DC.
But now Mullen isn't a great coach and a guy who hasn't coached one snap in the SEC is an automatic upgrade.
This post was edited on 5/23/18 at 6:02 pm
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 6:02 pm to KSGamecock
Looks like a good shot for 9-10 wins.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 6:06 pm to KSGamecock
Sept. 1 Stephen F. Austin W
Sept. 8 at Kansas State W
Sept. 15 Louisiana-Lafayette W
Sept. 22 at Kentucky W
Sept. 29 Florida W
Oct. 6 Auburn L
Oct. 20 at LSU L
Oct. 27 Texas A&M W
Nov. 3 Louisiana Tech W
Nov. 10 at Alabama L
Nov. 17 Arkansas W
Nov. 22 at Ole Miss W :(
9-3. I Feel like a reasonable ceiling is 10-2 and a reasonable floor is 8-4, so I'll split the difference and go 9-3. A top 15, maybe top 10 (with a bowl win) finish is in order. Good luck this season Dawgs, see y'all Nov. 22nd.
Sept. 8 at Kansas State W
Sept. 15 Louisiana-Lafayette W
Sept. 22 at Kentucky W
Sept. 29 Florida W
Oct. 6 Auburn L
Oct. 20 at LSU L
Oct. 27 Texas A&M W
Nov. 3 Louisiana Tech W
Nov. 10 at Alabama L
Nov. 17 Arkansas W
Nov. 22 at Ole Miss W :(
9-3. I Feel like a reasonable ceiling is 10-2 and a reasonable floor is 8-4, so I'll split the difference and go 9-3. A top 15, maybe top 10 (with a bowl win) finish is in order. Good luck this season Dawgs, see y'all Nov. 22nd.
This post was edited on 5/24/18 at 11:47 am
Posted on 5/23/18 at 6:16 pm to joeyb147
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i love how msu fans went from claiming mullen was the second best coach in the sec to now saying moorehead's gonna be an upgrade
Mullen WAS the second best coach in the SEC. Now he's the third best.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:10 pm to KSGamecock
Sept. 1 Stephen F. Austin W
Sept. 8 at Kansas State W
Sept. 15 Louisiana-Lafayette W
Sept. 22 at Kentucky W
Sept. 29 Florida W
Oct. 6 Auburn W
Oct. 20 at LSU W
Oct. 27 Texas A&M L
Nov. 3 Louisiana Tech W
Nov. 10 at Alabama L
Nov. 17 Arkansas W
Nov. 22 at Ole Miss L
LSU and A&M could easily be flipped. I just get the feeling LSU is going to fall apart and O will get canned. Obvious loss at Alabama and I think OM will beat them in Oxford
So 9-3/8-4 would be my guess right now
Sept. 8 at Kansas State W
Sept. 15 Louisiana-Lafayette W
Sept. 22 at Kentucky W
Sept. 29 Florida W
Oct. 6 Auburn W
Oct. 20 at LSU W
Oct. 27 Texas A&M L
Nov. 3 Louisiana Tech W
Nov. 10 at Alabama L
Nov. 17 Arkansas W
Nov. 22 at Ole Miss L
LSU and A&M could easily be flipped. I just get the feeling LSU is going to fall apart and O will get canned. Obvious loss at Alabama and I think OM will beat them in Oxford
So 9-3/8-4 would be my guess right now
Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:26 pm to craigbiggio
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You guys lose to Arkansas all the time
In the last 10 years LSU has lost to Arkansas as much as we have.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 11:41 pm to Reservoir dawg
Lemme get my Rant logic math going:
Won 9 games last year. Return virtually everyone. More favorable schedule.
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Alltime losing record. No way my team is losing to state. I’d rather live in Syria than Starkville. Lost head coach. Does Mississippi even have high school football? Turned Ole Miss in karma.
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4-8. Outside shot at 6-6.
Won 9 games last year. Return virtually everyone. More favorable schedule.
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Alltime losing record. No way my team is losing to state. I’d rather live in Syria than Starkville. Lost head coach. Does Mississippi even have high school football? Turned Ole Miss in karma.
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4-8. Outside shot at 6-6.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 5:13 am to Dellort
10-3
Losses to Auburn and Bama and they will find a way to frick up and lose to Ole Miss.
Losses to Auburn and Bama and they will find a way to frick up and lose to Ole Miss.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 7:46 am to KSGamecock
You guys place WAY too much emphasis on returning production, especially considering Mississippi state replaced 8 of their coaches.
Texas was top 10 in returning production, only won 7 games.
Vanderbilt was top 10 too, won 1 conference game.
Washington, USC, Ohio State and Alabama were all ranked in the 70's for returning production, Bama won the natty and the other 3 played in NY6 bowls. Clemson was way down at 117 and they made it to the CFP.
People on here expect way too much of their first year head coaches. Moorehead, Jimbo, Pruitt and Mullen aren't going to win 10 games, if they're lucky 1 might win 9 games.
Texas was top 10 in returning production, only won 7 games.
Vanderbilt was top 10 too, won 1 conference game.
Washington, USC, Ohio State and Alabama were all ranked in the 70's for returning production, Bama won the natty and the other 3 played in NY6 bowls. Clemson was way down at 117 and they made it to the CFP.
People on here expect way too much of their first year head coaches. Moorehead, Jimbo, Pruitt and Mullen aren't going to win 10 games, if they're lucky 1 might win 9 games.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 7:55 am to Agseds
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Texas was top 10 in returning production, only won 7 games.
Vanderbilt was top 10 too, won 1 conference game.
Well, the returning production has to be good. State won 9 games last year. Thrashed Louisville in the bowl game. They don't just return production - they return all-SEC production all over the field.
Yes, they got blown out by Auburn and Georgia. Products of being very young and playing two very good teams in what was the first true hostile conference road game for many of them. The Ole Miss loss was inexcusable, even without the starting QB. But I don't understand why having a team like that returning almost fully intact, a year older, bigger, and stronger, with more depth, doesn't translate to a better season. It is retarded to think it won't.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 7:58 am to Cdawg
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Don't lump me in with this jilted lover syndrome. It's... I don't know. *shaking head*
Now Mullen isn't better than 3 yards and a cloud of dust Sherrill? WTF? How soon they forget that Mullen's game planning kept us in games that we had no business being in due to lack of talent. Even I'm cringing reading crap in this thread. Jackie wasn't playing SEC West teams at the pinnacle of their program's history all at the same time. LSU, Bama, Auburn are winning NC's. Sherrill won the west? Whoopeee. It's only means anything when used against ole miss. Sherrill also managed how many 3 win seasons and brought the NCAA hammer upon us.
The only thing I may agree on is that Mullen will recurit better at Florida than State but he may never finish above both UGA, FSU & Miami unless he wins big there which he will. However, I also believe Mullen is replaceable.
After Mizzou & A&M joined, did he ever finish above 10th in the SEC in recruiting? But still managed to win 41 games in 5 years. The biggest mistake Mullen made was hiring that jackass Sirmon as DC.
But now Mullen isn't a great coach and a guy who hasn't coached one snap in the SEC is an automatic upgrade.
It's not jilted lover syndrome for me. I appreciate what Mullen did but I had my issues with a lot of stuff too. We have no way of knowing how good Moorhead will be at this point, but he has been a refreshing upgrade from Mullen in virtually every aspect so far - from speaking engagements, to recruiting, to how he handled spring practice, so there's a lot of reason for optimism.
I also think Mullen is going to have to reinvent himself at Florida because Mississippi State Dan Mullen will not be successful at Florida. They expect more and demand more.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 8:21 am to Drebin
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But I don't understand why having a team like that returning almost fully intact, a year older, bigger, and stronger, with more depth, doesn't translate to a better season. It is retarded to think it won't.
You can be a better team with a worse record. See Auburn 2013 and 2014.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 8:27 am to Drebin
quote:State will lose to Fat Luke again.
The Ole Miss loss was inexcusable
Posted on 5/24/18 at 8:52 am to KSGamecock
7-5 or 6-6
Posted on 5/24/18 at 8:52 am to Agseds
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People on here expect way too much of their first year head coaches. Moorehead, Jimbo, Pruitt and Mullen aren't going to win 10 games, if they're lucky 1 might win 9 games.
The difference between MSU and the other teams with new coaches is that MSU didn't fire their old coach. Jimbo, Pruitt, and Mullen are taking over losing teams with players that don't necessarily fit their schemes. Moorhead is taking over a winning team, with players that will plug into his schemes very well on both sides of the ball. Yeah, there may be some early adjustment issues, but shouldn't be anything too serious.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 8:58 am to Dday63
quote:Like finding a qb to complete a forward pass?
there may be some early adjustment issues
Posted on 5/24/18 at 9:20 am to Drebin
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How soon they forget that Mullen's game planning kept us in games that we had no business being in due to lack of talent
THIS is your defense of Mullen? He kept some games close that should have been blowouts? If he had won any of those games I might agree with you, but there are honestly dozens of coaches out there who can dial up a conservative gameplan and not get blown out.
Should we also criticize Mullen for all of those narrow victories against weak OOC opponents?
All I'm saying is that while Mullen is a good coach, he is not a "once-in-a-lifetime" irreplaceable genius. His 9 years at State were very comparable to Sherrill's first 9 years, particularly when you consider Mullen was playing a 12 game schedule. For Mullen, that extra game has been a cupcake easy win.
Sherrill had 3 losing seasons in his first 9 years. Mullen had 2 losing seasons, and two 6-6 seasons that would have been 5-6 but for the extra cupcake win. Sherrill had a better SEC record, which is really what matters.
Mullen was more consistent, I just don't think he did anything miraculous.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 9:46 am to Drebin
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It's not jilted lover syndrome for me. I appreciate what Mullen did but I had my issues with a lot of stuff too. We have no way of knowing how good Moorhead will be at this point, but he has been a refreshing upgrade from Mullen in virtually every aspect so far - from speaking engagements, to recruiting, to how he handled spring practice, so there's a lot of reason for optimism.
Exactly. There was a lot to like about Mullen, but there were also some things to not like about him. When he was our coach, a lot of fans focused on the good stuff. Now that he's not, a lot of them focus on the bad stuff. It's human nature.
Overall, he was a solid coach. His record against ranked teams indicate that he was not a great coach. He may be able to make that leap at a school at which he should be able to recruit better. Time will tell.
Yes, the coaching staff change is a concern. However, the team has a lot of pieces in place and a pretty favorable schedule. I feel like an average coach could get to 6 wins pretty easily with this team. Moorhead was widely viewed as one of, if not the, top assistant coaches in the country when we hired him. Will that, and the staff he assembled, translate into wins this year? That's the question. But if they are even above average, 8 or 9 wins is not a major feat this year. It may be next year though.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 9:50 am to TonyMontana
quote:You are talking about Mississippi Freakin State! The team with an all time record of 555–573–39 (.492).
His record against ranked teams indicate that he was not a great coach
Posted on 5/24/18 at 10:18 am to Drebin
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Dan Mullen will not be successful at Florida. They expect more and demand more.
He has more to work with. Bigger name, budget, and better recruiting base. I don't like Dan. I can appreciate how he's been successful everywhere previously in his coaching career. Please enlighten me how a rational person can point to JOMO's past success as a future indicator, and not apply the same to Dan Mullen.
This post was edited on 5/24/18 at 10:21 am
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