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re: New Arkansas AD very critical of coaching buyouts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 2:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 12/6/17 at 2:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:IDK what Alabama would or will do when the time comes. Saban skewed the coaching market so damn bad, who knows what's on the horizon?
Alabama wouldn't offer jimbo a 75 million contract at this time if Saban left.
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Posted on 12/6/17 at 2:49 pm to rockiee
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We won't get him and be paying that much anyway though
He’s making 1.7 now though and will get a raise. Just saying that’s a ridiculous amount of money to be throwing at an assistant who is already one of the highest paid in the country while you’re simultaneously bitching about the rising costs of coaches
Posted on 12/6/17 at 2:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Some other teams are holding the line however.
Like who? LSU and......? Wisconsin?
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Alabama wouldn't offer jimbo a 75 million contract at this time if Saban left.
No they wouldn't, because they have tasted recent success and they aren't that desperate for it to continue at this point.
Back when they were desperate, aka before they hired Saban, they were willing to offer Saban one of the biggest and riskiest contracts in college football up until that point to get him to leave Miami.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 2:51 pm to TxWadingFool
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Bitching about someone paying 10 million while ignoring your new employer just paid someone nearly 12 million to go away?
What part of this is confusing? We fired the dumbass who gave FatBert the idiotic extension with nothing to show for it but sucking.
THAT'S why we're paying the fat piece of shite 12mil, and that's why Jeff got the axe.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 2:52 pm to RT1941
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IDK what Alabama would or will do when the time comes. Saban skewed the coaching market so damn bad, who knows what's on the horizon?
It's about maxed out. College football or football in general has passed its prime.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 2:54 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It's about maxed out. College football or football in general has passed its prime.
That is hard to argue.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 2:55 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Just saying that’s a ridiculous amount of money to be throwing at an assistant who is already one of the highest paid in the country while you’re simultaneously bitching about the rising costs of coaches
Well, we don't even know for sure. That has all been rumors to this point. The 2.6 was higher than what I heard but it was well over 2. His main focus was the buyouts. If we end up giving him some huge buyout then I would understand the hypocrisy.
Once again, IMO he isn't trying to eliminate buyouts or even criticizing huge contracts. He thinks coaches are getting too much money when they don't win enough games. I don't think he just randomly through in the 100% twice if that wasn't something that was important.
This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
And yet Morris' buyout looks almost like Burt's! Starts at 15M and drops to about 5M year 5. Starts as high but does drop off quicker..Still, pretty crazy after what we're going thru now.
This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:08 pm to JohnnyBob
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And yet Morris' buyout looks almost like Burt's! Starts at 15M and drops to about 5M year 5. We didn't learn shite I reckon.
Link?
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:24 pm to rockiee
The 49-year-old Morris agreed to a six-year contract worth $3.5 million per year. He has incentives that could total an additional $1.2 million per year and has an annually decreasing buyout that begins at $14.7 million through Dec. 31, 2018
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This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:31 pm to TxWadingFool
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has an annually decreasing buyout
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:41 pm to okietiger
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Typical A&M thing to lump in a guy with a sole natty with 2 coaches who have a combined 8.
Active head coaches who have won a national title as a head coach:
Saban (2003, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2015)
Meyer (2006, 2008, 2014)
Fisher (2013)
Swinney (2016)
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:46 pm to 1999
He's right but you will never hire a big name coach again with that mentality unless every other school also refuses to give in. Coaches and agents look at the buyout as a big portion of their total salary package. If one school is paying 5 million with nothing owed to you if you are fired and another school offers 4.5 mil with a 10 million buyout clause, they will go with the 4.5 mil plus buyout all day long.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:55 pm to TxWadingFool
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He has incentives that could total an additional $1.2 million per year
Interesting
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has an annually decreasing buyout that begins at $14.7 million through Dec. 31, 2018
Doesn't really tell us anything unless we see the breakdown by year. If the 5th year it reaches around 5m then we could assume it decreases around around 2m per year. As long as we don't give him some huge raise after a 6-6 year 2, I think it isn't bad.
A lot of guesstimates in that.
This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:56 pm to Monticello
Says a lot about a person though. Arkansas might not be an attractive situation compared to a large school. However, the coach is earning damn good money and he better perform to earn it. Buyouts will be gone soon, when these schools don't see the return on their investment.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:00 pm to cardboardboxer
quote:Weren't you literally saying Arkansas won the offseason less than 24 hours ago?
And hence why they had to hire an up-and-comer instead of an established name.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:01 pm to 1999
It's like the prisoners are running the prison.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:01 pm to Drewbie
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Weren't you literally saying Arkansas won the offseason less than 24 hours ago?
That was before our AD dared to say anything about the Kevin Sumlin buyout
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:04 pm to Drewbie
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Weren't you literally saying Arkansas won the offseason less than 24 hours ago?
Those two things aren't contradictory.
Arkansas could have had to settle for an up-and-comer, and it could have been the right up-and-comer.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:10 pm to cardboardboxer
Option A: you pay the salary and the buyout
Option B: you pay a higher salary and no buyout
This is how life works. Quid pro quo. This for that.
The AD is going to lean towards the buyout everytime. If the risk was too high that the coach would fail, the AD wouldn't put his own signature to the coaching contract.
Option B: you pay a higher salary and no buyout
This is how life works. Quid pro quo. This for that.
The AD is going to lean towards the buyout everytime. If the risk was too high that the coach would fail, the AD wouldn't put his own signature to the coaching contract.
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