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re: New Arkansas AD very critical of coaching buyouts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 12:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 12/6/17 at 12:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Unlike Swamp Kitty, A&M alumni has lots of Texas oil money. A&M will continue to spend the money. Only question is whether they spend that money wisely.
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Posted on 12/6/17 at 12:07 pm to rockiee
Here is what most are missing about coaches salaries, the average head coach ( or asst coach ) has a short shelf life and they uproot family and relocate. The risk at schools that has rabid fanbases is that you get fired even though some have pretty damn good records...but haven't won ( or in some cases...won NCs and still got fired later ) enough or won enough lately to satisfy boosters.
So yeah, they get huge salaries as part of the unknown length of employment and having their family impacted. It is also a simple matter of supply and demand...head coaches qualified to lead a major college football program don't grow on trees. Sure, some fans would argue they weren't qualified...but the fact remains the ADs don't operate in a vacuum, there are others who approve of the hire besides the AD.
Look at pro sports...how many QBs, WRs, DBs are qualified to play in the NFL? Its supply and demand. I know there are thousand X as many guys who can turn wrenches, type up reports, sell merchandise than are qualified to be pro athletes.
So yeah, they get huge salaries as part of the unknown length of employment and having their family impacted. It is also a simple matter of supply and demand...head coaches qualified to lead a major college football program don't grow on trees. Sure, some fans would argue they weren't qualified...but the fact remains the ADs don't operate in a vacuum, there are others who approve of the hire besides the AD.
Look at pro sports...how many QBs, WRs, DBs are qualified to play in the NFL? Its supply and demand. I know there are thousand X as many guys who can turn wrenches, type up reports, sell merchandise than are qualified to be pro athletes.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 12:08 pm to piggilicious
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I'm not- he didn't say anything about how much they were paid, he talked about contracts and them getting guaranteed money for nothing.
That is the same thing though.
Say you are the Clemson DC. Right now you aren't making top DC money, but you are lined up for future head coaching jobs and you make enough to be comfortable.
Then Arky comes along and says they will double your pay, but your contract won't have a buyout so if they want to fire you after a year you are fricked.
Even if you have this massive ego and think you can't lose, you would still be walking away from an almost guaranteed bright future into a future where you will be judged on a situation where you can't control all the variables. So you don't make the jump unless they can pay something stupid like five times your current salary (and Arky or any program won't do that).
The whole reason for big buyouts is that is a program's way to say "we trust in you to be our coach." Not paying big buyouts basically says "I hope you trust yourself" which isn't a vote of confidence from a potential employer.
And this isn't even considering the whole negative recruiting angle of it all.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 12:09 pm to cardboardboxer
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If I was an Arky fan I would be worried about this dude politicking and bragging about how they won't overpay for coaches when his new coach is wanting to overpay the Clemson DC to get him.
Morris would probably be better served if his new boss would just STFU about contracts and salaries until he fills out his staff.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 12:09 pm to Jake_LaMotta
I think there is some misunderstanding on this one...
If CNS is fired without cause, we owe him the remainder of his contract.
If we walks away, he owes us nothing.
That's the way I understand it. Not exactly the sweetheart deal many claim it is.
AL.com
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Why are people so scared of no buyout? Saban was way ahead of the times on this one.
If CNS is fired without cause, we owe him the remainder of his contract.
If we walks away, he owes us nothing.
That's the way I understand it. Not exactly the sweetheart deal many claim it is.
AL.com
Posted on 12/6/17 at 12:14 pm to RT1941
It is not like the Arky AD is going to move the needle on this by himself anyway.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 12:19 pm to 1999
Damn, this AD is doing a great job already. Posters have been saying that our sail game is lacking of late. AD getting to a fast start.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 12:33 pm to rockiee
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Damn, this AD is doing a great job already. Posters have been saying that our sail game is lacking of late. AD getting to a fast start.
Fresh wind! Flagships sets sail.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 12:34 pm to 1999
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“For someone the likes of Kevin Sumlin to get paid 100 percent of his contract, $10 million, I think that was a mistake,” Yurachek said. “I’m not at a Texas A&M. I know they’re in a conference and we compete with them and they’ll probably hold that against me for telling you that. But that’s a mistake in our industry. It’s not a sustainable model moving forward. You just look at the growth in the past 20 years, think 20 years from now.”
A99Y got so much oil money they make the Saudis look poor so they don't care, amirite?
Sorry the Walmart poors in Fayettenam can't compete.
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“To me, losing football games is being terminated with cause.
But seriously, I want to love this statement so much. Not sure it holds much legal water at all but it has all the feels.
Would love to hear Bert's thoughts on all this.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 12:34 pm to G2160
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Good luck getting a big name to turn down guaranteed money for an incentive-based or shorter term deal.
I think the bubble is about to burst and teams will be more willing to take a chance on unproven but successful lower tier guys or assistants than hiring big names.
LSU wouldn't meet jimbos demands. I'm sure there will be others.
Outside of 2-3 people, no one is a guaranteed winner in this business.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 12:44 pm to DC RaiseHerBack
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To me, losing football games is being terminated with cause
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When I heard him say this, it made me decide I like him very much already.
I like this guy. The buy out should go both ways. If the coach negotiates no penalty should he leave for another job, that should also work if they are fired for not winning.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 12:47 pm to BM41
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Unlike Swamp Kitty, A&M alumni has lots of Texas oil money.
As long as you're admitting LSU is the benchmark for A99Y athletics. There is nothing LSU has or wants that A99Y does not covet.
Pat Henry: check
Big Chief: check
Scott Woodward: check
Jimbo: check
Final Fours, Elite Eights: Nega
Football nattys this side of WW2: Fail
CWS Titles: Never
Big 6 membership: LOL
SEC charter membership: GTFO
Posted on 12/6/17 at 12:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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LSU wouldn't meet jimbos demands. I'm sure there will be others.
All it takes is one program to say yes and the entire pay scale gets moved up for everyone.
That is the problem with this- it would take outright collusion to keep down head coaching pay, and that would be illegal.
Eventually if some lawsuit forces the kids to be paid this will all change overnight, but until that day programs will keep playing chicken with money.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 12:50 pm to 1999
I don't think it would be too hard to put in a contract that the buyout is reduced significantly if winning percentage in conference falls below .500 after a number of years. I have no problem with salaries but the buyouts are getting ridiculous.
Of course I'm not an AD trying to do whatever it takes to get an elite coach, so it's easy for me to say that. I also believe schools should be willing to write blank checks in order to acquire proven head coaches because they are such a valuable commodity. So I'm kind of at odds with myself on this issue.
Of course I'm not an AD trying to do whatever it takes to get an elite coach, so it's easy for me to say that. I also believe schools should be willing to write blank checks in order to acquire proven head coaches because they are such a valuable commodity. So I'm kind of at odds with myself on this issue.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 12:52 pm to cardboardboxer
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All it takes is one program to say yes and the entire pay scale gets moved up for everyone.
I think programs are already balking at this notion.
I don't think the jimbo experiment works out and they'll be justified for their restraint.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:01 pm to TxWadingFool
Ed Zackery.....perhaps someone should send him a article of how much Fatboy Bret was paid by his current employer. He would be better served to leave any other schools out of his problems..
A great college coach from Arkansas once said..."tend t o our own knitting"
A great college coach from Arkansas once said..."tend t o our own knitting"
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I think programs are already balking at this notion.
LSU balked at the notion, but let's not pretend ole Joe is a trendsetter here. Joe was willing to potentially sacrifice his career with a second choice to avoid getting in a bidding war with Texas, but most other top ADs won't want to take that risk. Hell LSU wouldn't be taking that risk if it wasn't for political optics within the state, which is a limit other top programs don't have to deal with.
Right after we agreed to pay Jimbo $7.5 million a year we saw Gus get a contract for $7 million a year. The pay scale moved in less than a month, and I bet in two years many coaches will be getting paid over $7 million just like happened a few years after we gave Sumlin that big raise.
There is no force strong enough to push back against these pay raises, a good coach is just worth too much to any top program. It will take a major shift outside of the AD offices- like successful athlete lawsuits against NCAA amateurism or TV contracts expiring and replacement ones being lower- for the bubble to burst.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:06 pm to 1999
and thus, Arkansas will always be Arkansas until this cougar high goober is fired because he can't find winning coaches.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:08 pm to 1999
Bert got a bigger buyout than Sumlin. Why not throw shade on the Arkansas regents who approved the deal with Bert? I guess cause he's a pussy.
LINK to Bert's 11.8 million dollar buy out
LINK to Bert's 11.8 million dollar buy out
This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:10 pm to cardboardboxer
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Right after we agreed to pay Jimbo $7.5 million a year we saw Gus get a contract for $7 million a year.
Both were pathetic but locking jimbo for 10 years is beyond belief.
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