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Posted on 10/1/19 at 1:55 pm to tylerdurden24
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Bama is what it is because it was the first to invest in Saban’s totalitarian approach to managing a football program with total buy in from donors and total approval from the university
Not even a Bama fan but that's a bunch of bullshite. Georgia, LSU, Florida and Bama are all funneling a ton of money to the college football arms race. Just because Kirby can't gameplan for a backup quarterback doesn't mean Alabama is doing anything nefarious.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 1:59 pm to RB10
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Open the door for the NFL to make a profit on a B league and they will absolutely make it happen
No "B" league or NFL league has ever made money.NFL Europe or WLNFL lost millions.
Every minor league in every sport looses money and has to be subsidized from the league/parent club.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 2:02 pm to RD Dawg
It will be interesting to see how the NFL weighs in on this.They have very strict rules and a process required for those college athletes looking to get represented by an agent once entering the draft. The vetting process is not easy for the agents. The new CA law essentially allows the athlete to now get representation for the endorsements. I assume then the NFL will have something to say on this matter.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 2:06 pm to LB84
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Not even a Bama fan but that's a bunch of bullshite. Georgia, LSU, Florida and Bama are all funneling a ton of money to the college football arms race
UGA was WAY behind the big 6 and especially Bama when it came to facilities (last to have IPF) support staff (last to hire analyst) and roster mgt (had 67 scholarship players vs Bama in the '12 SECCG)
We've finally started to invest in the program like Bama in '16...8 years after Saban and Bama
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 2:06 pm to RD Dawg
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No "B" league or NFL league has ever made money.NFL Europe or WLNFL lost millions.
Because of college football and the fact that the best 18-21 year old players were typically in college.
If you allow players to get paid for their likeness the next step, as others have said, is to go after the NFL for the age restrictions. If the NFL starts drafting kids out of high school the college game will suffer mightily. When the college game starts to suffer the NFL will seize the opportunity to make a profit off of their younger players who they’re now drafting.
That is, unless you think these people are going to stop while they’re ahead with the NCAA and leave the NFL out of it. I don’t think they will. Just like most other instances, they are going to take as much as they can.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 2:13 pm to RB10
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If the NFL starts drafting kids out of high school the college game will suffer mightily.
Are you going to stop watching LSU games because there's an NFL G league that forms or because there's younger kids playing in the NFL? College football is minimally about the talent of the players and mostly about the schools, brands, pageantry, tradition, and rivalries.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 2:13 pm to RB10
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Because of college football and the fact that the best 18-21 year old players were typically in college.
Doesn't matter.Fans go to support the SCHOOL along with the players.NOBODY GAS about watching 18-21 associated with some minor league team.If that was the case minor league baseball would be making money hand over fist.
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NFL will seize the opportunity to make a profit off of their younger players who they’re now drafting.
No they won't and there's absolutely no history in other sports to back up what your saying.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 2:16 pm to DawgsLife
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They are compensated with an education. Anybody that says it isn't enough needs to look around and see how many other college students are making around $40,000 a year.
First of all, this has nothing to do with what is “enough” but what should be accessible to any American citizen in a free market capitalist economy. Second, placing a specific money value on things provided via scholarships is erroneous given that a student can’t cash out on that scholarship and given that all college degrees aren’t equal in the job market.
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.if they start paying football players a lot of other sports will be eliminated.
Yeah, if schools are footing the bill the. That’ll happen. But that’s not at all what is being suggested or discussed so it’s irreleveant.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 2:17 pm to RD Dawg
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Doesn't matter.Fans go to support the SCHOOL along with the players.NOBODY GAS about watching 18-21 associated with some minor league team.If that was the case minor league baseball would be making money hand over fist.
You’re die hards, sure. Football is, literally, the most popular sport this country has ever seen. We don’t know what would or could happen with regards to fandom, but one this is clear from television ratings, people are going to watch football and a large portion of them don’t really care if it’s college, NFL or some other entity.
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No they won't and there's absolutely no history in other sports to back up what your saying.
Well, they’ve done it before and that was before the influx of funds the sport has seen. To think they won’t do it again, especially with the money that television providers are willing to throw at the sport, is ignorant.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 2:20 pm to jlovel7
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Are you going to stop watching LSU games because there's an NFL G league that forms or because there's younger kids playing in the NFL? College football is minimally about the talent of the players and mostly about the schools, brands, pageantry, tradition, and rivalries.
If there is a split and LSU chooses to be a part of the “lesser” tier, many people will lose interest.
Also, saying college football is minimally about the talent on the players this day and age is just flat out false. College football is about winning now more than ever before.
ETA: My concern isn’t letting players get money for their likeness. If a player wants to sell autographed pictures or memorabilia, they should be able to. It shouldn’t be funded by the university, and it shouldn’t be a problem. I think if the NCAA would concede this, it will help put a stop to this nonsense.
My concern is the next step for these legislators of they take the NCAA to court and win. They aren’t going to leave it at the NCAA. They’re going after the NFL next, and it will likely be over the age restrictions. If the NFL decides they will start drafting kids out of high school that is a problem for college football. This is also several years down the road so it’s just a bunch of speculation on my part at this point.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 2:28 pm to RB10
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The only reason the NFL hasn’t already created a farm system isn’t because they get “free” service from CFB, it’s because they can’t make money off of it.
Open the door for the NFL to make a profit on a B league and they will absolutely make it happen. The NFL is run by businessmen. They will take every opportunity given to make more money.
I'd disagree pretty strongly here... The NBA D/G/whatever League they're calling it these days is not a massive draw. Debate football v basketball viewership all you want, but people watch college basketball in droves, especially the tournament... hardly anyone watches the developmental league for the NBA. I see no reason why the NFL would be any different. NFL Europe failed, XFL v1.0 failed, Arena Football failed, AAF failed... why on earth do we think the NFL wants to get into the business of serving up mediocre football when it's currently available for free with a built in fanbase that has an attachment to a university.
I agree the NFL is run by businessmen, but I disagree that there is likely a huge amount of profit to be made running regional developmental league football programs. Minor Leage Baseball would not be remotely profitable if they weren't doing it at the expense of paying players in many cases less than minimum wage.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 2:30 pm to RB10
It will be interesting to see how many schools will field a D1 football team. I think the number of sports will shrink to where many will have basketball for men and women plus golf for both sexes. Sports teams which cost little to run.
Times are a changing.
Times are a changing.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 2:37 pm to fibonaccisquared
The only thing I’d say is kids can go straight from high school to the NBA and be an immediate impact. That being the case, the best players aren’t in the developmental league.
Football, as it is now, is different. There isn’t an 18 year old on the planet who can go straight into the NFL so you’re going to see the best players going into the “developmental” league every draft, and they will probably stay for 1-2 years before moving on. Some longer, obviously.
At the end of the day I think having schools split from the NCAA is bad for football and basketball at every level from high school up and I hope it doesn’t happen. Hopefully they just let the athletes make money for their likeness, as long as it’s not pay for play.
Football, as it is now, is different. There isn’t an 18 year old on the planet who can go straight into the NFL so you’re going to see the best players going into the “developmental” league every draft, and they will probably stay for 1-2 years before moving on. Some longer, obviously.
At the end of the day I think having schools split from the NCAA is bad for football and basketball at every level from high school up and I hope it doesn’t happen. Hopefully they just let the athletes make money for their likeness, as long as it’s not pay for play.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 2:39 pm to r2d2
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You can't have coaches make 75 million and don't let the players benefit from their imagen. Its hypocricy at its finest.
And there it is, the core of this whole mess is the true core of leftism - covetousness - and it will destroy everything it infects.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 2:44 pm to 00 Tech Grad
Good. This is much more than just the issue of paying athletes. This is about preventing each state from making their own rules while wanting to compete within the framework of a national collegiate association with national bylaws. Once you let California do this, any state can make their own rules and whoever has the most lax regulations will be what the entire NCAA will be forced to effectively adhere to.
If California wants their own rules, then fine, leave the NCAA and have your universities compete for a State of California championship. See how much your athletes can make on their likeness while playing in a league that disqualifies itself from competing nationally.
If California wants their own rules, then fine, leave the NCAA and have your universities compete for a State of California championship. See how much your athletes can make on their likeness while playing in a league that disqualifies itself from competing nationally.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 2:45 pm to corneredbeast
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the core of this whole mess is the true core of leftism - covetousness - and it will destroy everything it infects.
What a crock of shite
It has nothing to do with covetousness and everything to do with the fact that black markets for compensating players have existed for years. Coaches will continue to make millions from the schools but now players can also directly make money from outside sources like Nike and Under Armour and local businesses. There is money willing to be spent on everyone from the top down but right now players are being restricted from engaging in those markets out of an outdated principle
Posted on 10/1/19 at 2:47 pm to MillerLiteTime
It will be like NCAA baseball. Half of your recruited class will take the NFL $$CASH$$ and go to the minors. This will free up my Saturdays.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 2:47 pm to fibonaccisquared
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Minor Leage Baseball would not be remotely profitable if they weren't doing it at the expense of paying players in many cases less than minimum wage.
All minor league teams that are associated with a Major League team have the players salaries picked up by the parent club...on every level.
This post was edited on 10/2/19 at 3:57 am
Posted on 10/1/19 at 2:48 pm to tylerdurden24
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What a crock of shite
It has nothing to do with covetousness and everything to do with the fact that black markets for compensating players have existed for years. Coaches will continue to make millions from the schools but now players can also directly make money from outside sources like Nike and Under Armour and local businesses. There is money willing to be spent on everyone from the top down but right now players are being restricted from engaging in those markets out of an outdated principle
There is a market for professionals.
Those professionals have rules disallowing participation from 18-20 year olds.
You dont change amateurism.
You change the professionalism to permit these kids to make their money.
Change is being misdirected at the ncaa despite the even bigger entity whose sole purpose is to employ people for sports. Move the bullseye over to the NFL and I'm with you.
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