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re: NCAA is not long for this world
Posted on 3/31/21 at 4:22 pm to trackem
Posted on 3/31/21 at 4:22 pm to trackem
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The NFL doesn’t want to organize, maintain, fund and run a B league, so it leaves it to colleges
Because minor leagues lose money. The NFL is one of the wealthier organizations on the planet. Again, your gripe is with the NFL not wanting to subsidize a minor league system like baseball and basketball does.
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They could easily say they would take a one-and-done though and poach the best first- or second-year players off teams.
So yeah, your issue seems to be with the NFL
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Posted on 3/31/21 at 4:23 pm to trackem
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They could work their way into a starting role while still getting paid fair-market value for their talent and production.
You do understand why NFL teams draft these guys, correct? They have seen their PRODUCTION and TALENT already and have determined they are worth the MONEY they are about to spend on that commodity. NFL GM's do not normally pay a lot of money for PROJECTS that may not pan out.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 4:23 pm to trackem
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Well, I barely want to watch it now since so many teams are getting a pass from the NCAA because of money and ratings while those teams create a recruiting monopoly.
I’m sure someone who spends his time posting on a college sports message board barely watches college sports
Posted on 3/31/21 at 4:27 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
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It’s not colleges’ fricking job to make sure a pro league has a talent pipeline.
Sure, and it’s not colleges’ jobs to pay athletes either. College football doesn’t work in conjunction with the NFL. The NFL made their own decision not to allow kids to be drafted out of high school. The NFL made the decision not to invest in a minor league system. Yet everyone points the finger at college football to fix the NFL’s problem
Posted on 3/31/21 at 4:28 pm to kywildcatfanone
College sports provides a better future and better exposure for 99% of the athletes then minor leagues
Of course theire are the few talents like lebrom Janes and Zion Williamson that are good enough to be at the top level at age 18. But those are the rare exceptions. They don’t need college sports
Guys like Tim Tebow and Johnny Manziel would be nobodies if they played minor league football. But they can eat for free anywhere they go because of college sports and the exposure they got
They were never going to be nfl guys but they are legends.
The starting five for Syracuse are earning more in the way of scholarships, free expenses, stipends etc than they would ever get on an open market if there were only a minor league
People like plate Johnson are just ignorant. He wouldn’t name one minor lasagne baseball player or d league basketball player but he could name the whole secondary of Mississippi state football
Why is that
Of course theire are the few talents like lebrom Janes and Zion Williamson that are good enough to be at the top level at age 18. But those are the rare exceptions. They don’t need college sports
Guys like Tim Tebow and Johnny Manziel would be nobodies if they played minor league football. But they can eat for free anywhere they go because of college sports and the exposure they got
They were never going to be nfl guys but they are legends.
The starting five for Syracuse are earning more in the way of scholarships, free expenses, stipends etc than they would ever get on an open market if there were only a minor league
People like plate Johnson are just ignorant. He wouldn’t name one minor lasagne baseball player or d league basketball player but he could name the whole secondary of Mississippi state football
Why is that
Posted on 3/31/21 at 4:33 pm to MeatPants
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People like plate Johnson are just ignorant. He wouldn’t name one minor lasagne baseball player or d league basketball player
Top baseball players go to MLB very quickly and top basketball players play in college for at least a year and go to the NBA.
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but he could name the whole secondary of Mississippi state football
Why is that
Because I watch football more than any other sport? Dumbass.
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College sports provides a better future and better exposure for 99% of the athletes then minor leagues
College sports are not going anywhere. I don’t get what strawman you are arguing against, but the death of college sports isn’t anywhere on the horizon, moron.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 4:34 pm to MeatPants
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People like plate Johnson are just ignorant. He wouldn’t name one minor lasagne baseball player or d league basketball player but he could name the whole secondary of Mississippi state football
Why is that
BINGO! Posted on 3/31/21 at 4:37 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
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Top baseball players go to MLB very quickly
Some do, most don’t, and very few have staying power. They also make shite wages until they get to the majors
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top basketball players play in college for at least a year and go to the NBA.
Most good college basketball players end up overseas or out of basketball completely pretty quickly
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 4:39 pm to lsufball19
My gripe isn’t with the NFL, which is content allowing the NCAA to do its work for them. The problem is with the NCAA, which exploits players for money, punishes them when they try to make a buck on the side by signing an autograph or selling their game-worn shoes, etc. The NCAA treats students like employees but doesn’t compensate them as such and doesn’t allow for free market completion between teams. It sets up a quasi-chattel system where students can’t change schools without penalty or permission and don’t get their “freedom” until they graduate or are drafted out of the system.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 4:44 pm to trackem
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The NCAA treats students like employees but doesn’t compensate them as such and doesn’t allow for free market completion between teams
So can we pay them like employees but also make them pay for school, support themselves, and require satisfactory grades to play?
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It sets up a quasi-chattel system where students can’t change schools without penalty or permission
They’re really going to hate the NFL then
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 4:44 pm to MeatPants
You guys are arguing the wrong points. Education, housing, stipends etc aren't the NCAA. It's Athletic Departments that are registered as non-profits. And no kid has a problem with their AD benefits.
The NCAA sets the restrictions on revenue earning and benefits. It's the NCAA that says you don't own your likeness, so they can make video game deals. It's the NCAA that doesn't allow a kid to stand at a new car dealership and sign his own autograph to EARN money. It's the NCAA that investigates legitimate income because any income can be traced to the kids popularity of playing a sport. They even restrict family. Basically they want to control any and all revenue streams. That's UnAmerican.
Football has proven that the private sector can handle revenue distribution directly to conferences. With cable networks and bowl sponsorships, schools make more money. The same would happen for the Basketball tournament. Money and player opportunities should be at the discretion of the conferences.
The NCAA sets the restrictions on revenue earning and benefits. It's the NCAA that says you don't own your likeness, so they can make video game deals. It's the NCAA that doesn't allow a kid to stand at a new car dealership and sign his own autograph to EARN money. It's the NCAA that investigates legitimate income because any income can be traced to the kids popularity of playing a sport. They even restrict family. Basically they want to control any and all revenue streams. That's UnAmerican.
Football has proven that the private sector can handle revenue distribution directly to conferences. With cable networks and bowl sponsorships, schools make more money. The same would happen for the Basketball tournament. Money and player opportunities should be at the discretion of the conferences.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 4:49 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
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If UAB can afford sports, I think the SEC schools will be fine. The 7 million dollar coaching contracts and larger-than-NFL stadiums aren’t a necessity.
Didn't take long for your bald-faced Marxism to show itself. Who are you to tell someone how big their stadiums can be? The grade school intellect grasps on to that class envy, too. "It's unconscionable for a coach* to make that much!"
*The not so subtle implication is, "It's unconscionable. for these white coaches to make that much!"
Posted on 3/31/21 at 4:50 pm to trackem
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My gripe isn’t with the NFL, which is content allowing the NCAA to do its work for them. The problem is with the NCAA, which exploits players for money, punishes them when they try to make a buck on the side by signing an autograph or selling their game-worn shoes, etc. The NCAA treats students like employees but doesn’t compensate them as such and doesn’t allow for free market completion between teams. It sets up a quasi-chattel system where students can’t change schools without penalty or permission and don’t get their “freedom” until they graduate or are drafted out of the system.
What the hell do you think the NFL system does to their "freedom"? This shite is hilarious, yet you don't even care enough to hardly even watch anymore.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 5:02 pm to RT1941
Its so tiring that every damn thing is a social issue
You have 18-19 year olds from every background in America who used their talents to go to the top schools in America for free. Plus you get to play a sport that you love to do. You are not made to play. You love it. It’s fun
And you have millions of people who watch and actually care
And when college is over you have your whole life in front of you with a degree at a good school
And you are the victim. My god
You have 18-19 year olds from every background in America who used their talents to go to the top schools in America for free. Plus you get to play a sport that you love to do. You are not made to play. You love it. It’s fun
And you have millions of people who watch and actually care
And when college is over you have your whole life in front of you with a degree at a good school
And you are the victim. My god
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 5:06 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
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Jesus, spare me the self righteous bullshite.
The two party system and ineffective separation of powers don’t allow for nuance.
You’re either voting to help one side get power or the other. You can try to add all the asterisks to your opinions you like, they don’t fricking matter.
And you know what? This isn’t new. Power players in the parties rise and fall, but in the end we all make totalitarian choices when we vote at the national level.
If you can’t handle being lumped on the same side as the qanon loons, then you shouldn’t have voted right.
I don’t particularly like being lumped in with the loons on the left, but it’s a fair thing for people to do because - at the end of the day - that is the party I voted for.
What a melt and totally missed the point
Posted on 3/31/21 at 5:12 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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SoFla Tideroller
You have to be one of the dumbest morons I’ve seen on here in a while. Let’s dig in:
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Didn't take long for your bald-faced Marxism to show itself. Who are you to tell someone how big their stadiums can be?
Who are you to tell an American citizen that they can’t charge for their autograph?
Who are you to tell a university they can’t give a certain player a scholarship because they’ve already reached their limit?
Who are you to tell an alumni he or she can’t take a football player’s parents out for dinner?
The NCAA is about as socialist as it gets, you uneducated, peanut-brained simpleton.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 5:13 pm to rockiee
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What a melt and totally missed the point
There is no point.
Thanks for missing the lack of a point.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 5:13 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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You will when the entire structure of collegiate athletics crumbles and disappears.
What's stopping everyone in the SEC from just leasing their brand name to essentially a d-league team in the money sports?
Posted on 3/31/21 at 5:19 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
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There is no point.
No point but
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Jesus, spare me the self righteous bullshite.
The two party system and ineffective separation of powers don’t allow for nuance.
You’re either voting to help one side get power or the other. You can try to add all the asterisks to your opinions you like, they don’t fricking matter.
And you know what? This isn’t new. Power players in the parties rise and fall, but in the end we all make totalitarian choices when we vote at the national level.
If you can’t handle being lumped on the same side as the qanon loons, then you shouldn’t have voted right.
I don’t particularly like being lumped in with the loons on the left, but it’s a fair thing for people to do because - at the end of the day - that is the party I voted for.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 5:22 pm to MeatPants
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you with a degree at a good school
For college football specifically, this is a complete fricking myth.
Division I football players do not usually get the same quality of education as non-athletes.
To maintain their scholarship, D1 athletes must participate in the demanding schedule of workout, practices, travel, etc in addition to maintaining good grades to keep their scholarship for 4 years.
What this means is that athletes have a static, maximum amount of time they can realistically spend on their studies. Regular students can spend late nights or entire weeks in the library if they need to.
This reality often puts certain degrees such as architecture, engineering, and sciences out of reach as well as certain career paths that require competitive post-grad programs such as med school or law school.
Per the NCAA’s own definition of D1 athletes: they are athletes first and students second.
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