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My plea for a factual explanation of how TM7 hit on Dre was Dirty/Flagrant

Posted on 12/9/11 at 12:35 am
Posted by TotalYatMove
Member since Oct 2010
1687 posts
Posted on 12/9/11 at 12:35 am
The only reason I bring this up is because I still see bama fans grumble about it often, and write off TM7 as a "POS thug" who doesn't deserve awards, because of that play.

I'd really love to hear bama fans actually explain with the evidence why they see it as a dirty play, and not just moan and call everyone who disagrees a pathetic loser or POS. I don't think you will, because I don't see how you can.

The video shows TM hit Dre across the chest and then grabbed his shoulder. It happened in less than a second in real time, but it was a clear hold. If you notice when TM goes to the sideline toward Les, he makes the motion of reaching across to the chest, as if to say "I was doing this technique" (33 seconds in). That shows the obvious lack of intent to be dirty, but rather to try to make a play after being beat.

The only thing I will say about Dre's reaction is that it looked a little more dramatic than what is expected of someone who plays a game that involves several bodily collisions a game.

Here is the video. Tell me where I am wrong.

LINK

My other question is, what was the diagnosis of his injury? People said it was a concussion, but considering he played the following week against a team who was not a serious threat, it's hard to believe that's what it was. Was that overblown to make the play seem worse than it was?

I'm aware bama fans think this is the worst thread ever and it's prob in tl;dr area. But the attitude about this really does bug me.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66417 posts
Posted on 12/9/11 at 12:40 am to
I was on a Bama site, and someone said he clubbed him in the head. If you can cause an injury with your hand through a helmet, you need to try boxing.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
Member since Feb 2009
52666 posts
Posted on 12/9/11 at 12:42 am to
I don't think that it was a dirty play, it was just a hold. But, it does annoy me that people say that Dre flopped. He was running full speed and got basically thrown down from behind. How was he supposed to keep his balance and not keep himself from hitting the ground hard? It's probably just a lame flame attempt by LSU fans, but he definitely didn't flop. Hell, I like TM7, and that play did not change my feelings.
This post was edited on 12/9/11 at 12:44 am
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
61788 posts
Posted on 12/9/11 at 12:45 am to
I don't think Honey Badger is a THUG. I don't think he's dirty. I don't think he should've been tossed. He and Dre were jawing all night and he just took it too far. He deserved a personal foul (which he didn't get) and then it's over as far as I'm concerned. Not that big of a deal.
This post was edited on 12/9/11 at 12:53 am
Posted by TotalYatMove
Member since Oct 2010
1687 posts
Posted on 12/9/11 at 12:45 am to
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I don't think that it was a dirty play, it was just a hold. But, it does annoy me that people say that Dre flopped. He was running full speed and got basically throw down from behind. How was supposed to keep his balance and not keep himself from hitting the ground hard? It's probably just a lame flame attempt by LSU fans, but he definitely didn't flop. Hell, I like TM7, and that play did not change my feelings.


Thanks. As bad as it sounds, having one bama fan say this makes me feel better. I don't think TM is dirty, and I feel bad for the guy that this might be all some people think of him after that one controversial play.

And I agree it's not fair to Dre to say he flopped. I think people say that as a defense mechanism for the calls for dirtiness. None of us have been involved in that sort of physical battle, so it's hard to judge him on that.
Posted by ztucke2
Fort Worth
Member since Oct 2010
2125 posts
Posted on 12/9/11 at 12:46 am to
I just don't like anyone trying to hit from behind running full speed like that. Didn't think it was dirty, he just made a pretty dumb play trying to do too much.
Posted by TotalYatMove
Member since Oct 2010
1687 posts
Posted on 12/9/11 at 12:49 am to
Your video is the same one I posted, except the one I posted is a much better picture. His intent was to "punch" his chest, which is a legal technique. He did that, but then grabbed his shoulder pad, which caused both the penalty and the fall.
Posted by RollTideRockStar
Member since Jan 2010
4477 posts
Posted on 12/9/11 at 12:50 am to
Dre had his back turned. He was running full speed and swung high.

1, you know you can't hit from behind.
And 2, you know you can't go high.

Bottom line is he knew he was beat and pissed that Alabama accounted for him. He wasn't having a big game and was frustrated. JMHO.
This post was edited on 12/9/11 at 1:59 am
Posted by motorbreath
New Orleans Saints fan
Member since Jun 2004
6381 posts
Posted on 12/9/11 at 12:52 am to
You will never get bamafan to say that was not a clothesline or a smack in the face. I don't think any of them care to watch the replays of this play or the INT. They saw it live, saw what they wanted to see. They want to hate TM7 so bad nothing will sway them.
Posted by memphisplaya
Member since Jan 2009
85791 posts
Posted on 12/9/11 at 12:54 am to
quote:

Bottom line is he knew he was beat and pissed that Alabama accounted for him. He wasn't having a big game and was frustrated. JMHO.



Bottom line is he takes what he wants and that includes swagpatrick's consciousness
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
61788 posts
Posted on 12/9/11 at 12:54 am to
quote:

His intent was to "punch" his chest, which is a legal technique.

I've never heard that. The way he reared back and swatted the running player certainly doesn't seem legal. Do you have a copy of the rule? No flame, seriously asking.
Posted by TotalYatMove
Member since Oct 2010
1687 posts
Posted on 12/9/11 at 12:54 am to
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and swung high at his head.


He really didn't. I don't know how else to explain it. That is not what he tried to do, and his arm never contacted his head.

Read my bold line. This was explained many times. It wasn't some random decision to swipe at him. And the 33 second mark of the video shows that he was trying to explain what he tried to do. Do you really think he told the coach "I wanted hit that guy in the head" while making that motion?
Posted by motorbreath
New Orleans Saints fan
Member since Jun 2004
6381 posts
Posted on 12/9/11 at 12:55 am to
When did tm7 touch any part of his head

Watch the frikkin video numbnuts!!!!
Posted by TotalYatMove
Member since Oct 2010
1687 posts
Posted on 12/9/11 at 12:58 am to
quote:

The way he reared back and swatted the running player certainly doesn't seem legal. Do you have a copy of the rule? No flame, seriously asking.



There is a rule that says you can make contact with another player. it's a contact sport. No hands to the face, but a punch to the chest is legal (O-line does it almost every play to D-line and CB's do it to WR's when pressing.) There is a rule that says you can't hit the back of another player.

So reaching around and "punching" (i.e. hitting) the chest (i.e. front) of a player is legal. It is a trained technique. It was called a hold because TM grabbed the shoulder. If he hadn't, it would not have been called.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
61788 posts
Posted on 12/9/11 at 12:59 am to
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And the 33 second mark of the video shows that he was trying to explain what he tried to do. Do you really think he told the coach "I wanted hit that guy in the head" while making that motion?

While undoing his chin strap? Right after that, his right arm moves a little as he walks but that couldn't possibly indicate anything. Not chest, head, or anything. What are you seeing?
Posted by TotalYatMove
Member since Oct 2010
1687 posts
Posted on 12/9/11 at 1:02 am to
quote:

his right arm moves a little as he walks but that couldn't possibly indicate anything.


It was quite clearly a deliberate move with his right arm. He was mimicking what he had just done on the field, while walking towards Miles.

He was showing him he was trying to do what he was taught. His tweet which included the apology to Dre for the injury corroborated that.
Posted by tweaver18
Monroe/Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2010
187 posts
Posted on 12/9/11 at 1:03 am to
quote:

And 2, you know you can't go for the head.
He didn't go for the head. The video clearly shows he hits Dre's shouler pad then holds the jersey.

It just wasn't a smart decision. It wasn't a dirty play,in my opinion. Although looking at that wide shot, that's the way it appears.
Posted by RollTideRockStar
Member since Jan 2010
4477 posts
Posted on 12/9/11 at 1:04 am to
He could have gone for any other body part. The torso is the more logical choice. Grabbing jersey. Anything.

But when he swung high, that's too obvious. If you endorse this stuff, go ahead. I'm not saying he's the devil. But that was intentional and shouldn't be defended. Not even by homers.
This post was edited on 12/9/11 at 1:59 am
Posted by motorbreath
New Orleans Saints fan
Member since Jun 2004
6381 posts
Posted on 12/9/11 at 1:05 am to
TM7 always uses a swatting technique and he's had much success with it. But it's not punching at all.
This post was edited on 12/9/11 at 1:06 am
Posted by Eighteen
Member since Dec 2006
33869 posts
Posted on 12/9/11 at 1:05 am to
quote:


But when he swung for the head, that's too obvious. If you endorse this stuff, go ahead. I'm not saying he's the devil. But that was intentional and shouldn't be defended


We cannot be watching the same video. he doesnt come anywhere near his head at all dude
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