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re: My plea for a factual explanation of how TM7 hit on Dre was Dirty/Flagrant
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:15 am to los angeles tiger
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:15 am to los angeles tiger
Worst, most vague site ever.
WRONG.
So you can't tackle?
This is, seriously, like a site some kid made for a 5th-grade project.
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False Start
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When a player goes past the line of scrimmage without touching someone before the ball is snapped.
WRONG.
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Holding
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When a player uses his hands to grab onto an opponent
So you can't tackle?
This is, seriously, like a site some kid made for a 5th-grade project.
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Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:15 am to RollTideRockStar
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Memphis just for shits and giggles, can you zoom in on the forward shot and slow it down the same way? I just want to see where the fist landed.
If you are talking about the shot at the .47 mark it would be impossible.
It's a camera shot from a distance so if I zoom in it will look like you are looking at a blurred out porno.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:20 am to memphisplaya
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it will look like you are looking at a blurred out porno
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:20 am to genro
Another site:
LINK
another one for your arrogancy
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Above your comprehension level.
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Definition: Hitting another player with the crown of the helmet.
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another one for your arrogancy
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c. Spearing is an act by an offensive or defensive player who initiates contact against any opponent with the
top of his helmet
LINK
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This is, seriously, like a site some kid made for a 5th-grade project.
Above your comprehension level.
This post was edited on 12/9/11 at 2:22 am
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:33 am to los angeles tiger
Lsu fans aren't insecure, everyone else has a truth problem
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:33 am to los angeles tiger
Instead of online dictionaries and various state's high school rules, let's consult the NCAA, shall we?
LINK
Now, butting or ramming an opponent would mean that no form tackle was made. The helmet was simply used as a weapon with no follow-through with the arms. See if you can stick with me here.
If the arms were used it wouldn't be a "butt" or "ram." You'd just be making a regular form tackle, leading with your helmet. Which is how everyone is taught to tackle. It is the correct way to tackle. He should have had his head up instead of down, but that is irrelevant.
Now, check this out:
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“No player shall use his helmet (including the face mask) to butt or ram an opponent or attempt to punish him
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Now, butting or ramming an opponent would mean that no form tackle was made. The helmet was simply used as a weapon with no follow-through with the arms. See if you can stick with me here.
If the arms were used it wouldn't be a "butt" or "ram." You'd just be making a regular form tackle, leading with your helmet. Which is how everyone is taught to tackle. It is the correct way to tackle. He should have had his head up instead of down, but that is irrelevant.
Now, check this out:
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:35 am to genro
Yep, that's a spear.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:35 am to genro
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It's amazing how many LSU fans don't know the definition of spearing.
Spearing means leaping off the ground (ie, using your body as a spear) and jarring the opponent with your helmet.
Lowering your helmet to tackle is not a spear. It is just poor technique. That is why Danielson says "they're trying to get defenses not to do this." It can cause major neck injuries. Are there no decent high school football coaches in Louisiana?
You iz dumb
You are talking about "launching" which is leaving your feet
Spearing is just hitting with the crown of your helmet
LOL your own link
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“No player shall use his helmet (including the face mask) to butt or ram an opponent or attempt to punish him
says nothing about arms, just contact with crown of helment = spear
This post was edited on 12/9/11 at 2:38 am
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:37 am to Eighteen
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Spearing is just hitting with the crown of your helmet
No, it's not. Consult the NCAA rule book, please.
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Eighteen
The words "butt" or "ram" imply the use of arms. You understand there's a difference between a tackle, and a butt or ram, correct?
This post was edited on 12/9/11 at 2:41 am
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:40 am to genro
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No, it's not. Consult the NCAA rule book, please.
I just did. There is a difference between "tackling with your head down" and leading with crown of your helmet
your boy lead with the crown of his helmet, the rule book says nothing about his arms
your first post you said spearing meant "leaving your feet" which is COMPLETELY WRONG
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:40 am to genro
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:42 am to TotalYatMove
It was a completely dumb arse move. He'd been jawing all night and got temporary insanity when Pre got by him. For anyone to say he was just doing what he had been taught is laughable. I've never seen anyone make that kind of play/half-arse attempt to block on a punt return in my life. Nothing else comes close. Like I said, he just went temporarily brain dead and forgot he was playing football.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:43 am to genro
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The words "butt" or "ram" imply the use of arms. You understand there's a difference between a tackle, and a butt or ram, correct?
The question is what did he lead with? What hit first? Would Jefferson have been smoked if the tackler's arms were tied behind his back? It's pretty obvious the answer is, yes.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:43 am to Eighteen
God you're dense. You can't butt or ram someone and then also tackle with your arms. Makes no sense, right? They are mutually exclusive.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:45 am to genro
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genro
Here you go you stupid Gump, I'm going to lay this out simple so even you can follow it.
First off, you linked to the pre-2007 NCAA rule book, which is laughable in itself
that said
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1. Spearing is the use of the helmet (including the face mask) in an attempt to punish an opponent.
2. No player shall use his helmet (including the face mask) to butt or ram an opponent or attempt to punish him.
3. No player shall strike a runner with the crown or top of the helmet in an attempt to punish him.
FROM CURRENT NCAA RULE BOOK (this rule was adopted in 2008)
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1. No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.
2. No player shall initiate contact and target a defenseless opponent above the shoulders. When in question, it is a foul.
Now stop defending it. He clearly led with the top of his helment AKA spearing
the NCAA took out the "butt or ram" and "attempt to punish" in 2007. Yes I looked it up, because you told me to.
This post was edited on 12/9/11 at 2:47 am
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:49 am to Eighteen
The missing piece to this whole argument is the fact that Jefferson got up after getting pummeled in the chest by the helmet of huge arse guy. That's a tough sonofabitch.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:49 am to Eighteen
This is just another example of why I loathe them so very, very much. They claim every tackle by the opposition is a dirty hit with intent to do injury and at the same time contort every way possible to justify their own players actions as being perfectly good and legal.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:50 am to Eighteen
Ok, I didn't know about the new rules.
His right arm/hand touches JJ's shoulder before the helmet hits. That is the initial contact. Seriously, watch it again and tell me it doesn't.
That's funny. How many LSU fans have been pissed off when Bama suggests we outplayed them on Nov 5? Yet it's perfectly fine for y'all to still be butthurt over 2009.
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No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet.
His right arm/hand touches JJ's shoulder before the helmet hits. That is the initial contact. Seriously, watch it again and tell me it doesn't.
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This is just another example of why I loathe them so very, very much.
That's funny. How many LSU fans have been pissed off when Bama suggests we outplayed them on Nov 5? Yet it's perfectly fine for y'all to still be butthurt over 2009.
This post was edited on 12/9/11 at 2:53 am
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:50 am to TotalYatMove
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The missing piece to this whole argument is the fact that Jefferson got up after getting pummeled in the chest by the helmet of huge arse guy. That's a tough sonofabitch.
He got up but he was injured and Lee had to come in.
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