re: My plea for a factual explanation of how TM7 hit on Dre was Dirty/Flagrant

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TigerBwoy

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He's clearly already on his way down. That's clearly almost the end of the play when he's pulling him backwards. Clearly.

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Ever been pissed, taken a swing and then right after remorse set in?

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I've only swung at one person in my life. It was my best friend and we were both hammered. I regretted it, but it wasn't until the next afternoon, when I woke up.

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tell you what everyone. To end all this I am going to make the video a gif, but use photoshop to slow each frame down and pause it at the initial contact. Give me a few and it will be done.

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TotalYatMove

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That gif

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MagicCityBlazer

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I agree with you, though I'm trying hard not to flame. I'm trying to be reasonable.

The swing may have technically been legal. The holding obviously was not.

It was definitely a cheap shot though. There are plenty of cheap shots in football that are technically legal, and I'd be a fool to say no Bama player has ever tried to take a cheap shot.

Honestly though, I want to see this technique anywhere else. I'm quite sure it doesn't exist. Please, find me video of Mathieu swinging his arm from behind on a sprinting player covering a punt.

Here is what my answer was on 11/7 to the same basic question. I do not think TM7's intent was to be dirty but the execution and timing should have been called flagrant. The event also took place before LSU caught the punt and the flagrant personal foul should have been called and resulted in Alabama still having the ball.

Nothing will change the past event. Best not to worry about it and move on.

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TM7_Era Tyrann Mathieu S/0 to Dre didn't mean to do what I did but it's a technique that we practice, you were just tall as hell and fast as you kno what! Goodluck
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While the technique he is talking about is a legit technique there are two HUGE flaws in his claim. The technique can ONLY be pulled off when you are still close enough to the other player for the strike to reach the center of the cheast plate. TM7 was already beaten too badly to execute the technique. At that point the swinging of a clenched fist becomes the same thing as striking the other player (just as hitting with a clenched fist in a fight)

The second issue, his claim that DK21 was tall, causing him to miss his mark. Tall means he would more likely have hit low rather than high. So again, he was beat and he did something he should not have done to try to limit the damage of his mistake.

I do not think he was "trying" to be dirty any more than the Arky player was trying to be dirty when his execution of an illegal hit was off by timing rather than by location of the hit. TM7 striking DK21 with the wrong timing and in the wrong location does make it a dirty hit and the result of the dirty hit was an injury.

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If dre doesn't hit his head on the turf...we aren't talking about this right now

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Agreed

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If dre doesn't hit his head on the turf...we aren't talking about this right now

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aint that the truth

if TM7 would have gotten hurt when Dre ripped him by the facemask earlier in the game we would be able to call him a "dirty thug"

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los angeles tiger

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It's amazing how many LSU fans don't know the definition of spearing.

Spearing means leaping off the ground (ie, using your body as a spear) and jarring the opponent with your helmet.

Lowering your helmet to tackle is not a spear. It is just poor technique. That is why Danielson says "they're trying to get defenses not to do this." It can cause major neck injuries. Are there no decent high school football coaches in Louisiana?

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T Rey WI

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Thanks for posting.

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TM7 was already beaten too badly to execute the technique.

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I agree. It's easier to tell in hindsight. I think in the heat of the moment, his brain went to that technique and he went for it before considering the variables.

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Tall means he would more likely have hit low rather than high. So again, he was beat and he did something he should not have done to try to limit the damage of his mistake.

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Agree again. He did hit him low, as the correct form would have been more o f a downward motion over the shoulder, rather than from the side.

All this points to poor execution of a legit technique, which is much different than an intent to hurt or a reaction to being frustrated. IMO, of course.