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re: My plea for a factual explanation of how TM7 hit on Dre was Dirty/Flagrant
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:52 am to genro
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:52 am to genro
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His right arm/hand touches JJ's shoulder before the helmet hits
wow alright dude lets just agree to disagree. it didnt get called, but as the rule states "when in doubt, its a penalty" so IMO the ref should have called it but oh well
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Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:57 am to memphisplaya
I've been reading this whole argument about how he swung high, and why didn't he swing lower bla bla bla.... It's a matter of simple leverage why TM7 don't swing low or punch/hit him lower. If he hits him low, Dre just runs through it and continues towards the ball carrier.... With a strong shot to the shoulder region you can seeTM7 has much more leverage to turn Dre's body, get him off balance and alter his path to the ball carrier.
He was beaten and too out of position to properly apply the technique, thus he got flagged for a hold, but you can also see how easily it spun Dre around.
He was beaten and too out of position to properly apply the technique, thus he got flagged for a hold, but you can also see how easily it spun Dre around.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 2:59 am to Eighteen
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alright dude lets just agree to disagree.
Ok. But maybe LSU fans shouldn't act so crazy when Bama fans talk about missed opportunities on Nov 5. If it's okay for all y'all to still be going crazy over a ref no-call two years, then shouldn't it be ok for us to bring up missed FG's and total yards from Nov. 5?
Point being, if you can still feel like you should've won in 2009, why can't we feel like we should've won on Nov 5?
Posted on 12/9/11 at 3:01 am to The ChizMan Cometh
I should also add whenever you see a lineman, they are not blocking someone around the stomach, they are engaging the shoulders because that is where leverage is gained.. same principle applies to TM7 taking a shot around Dre's shoulders and not lower..
This post was edited on 12/9/11 at 3:02 am
Posted on 12/9/11 at 3:06 am to genro
bullshite.
There's a BIG difference. Y'all are bitching about Mathieu's play in which there was a penalty thrown. Y'all are bitching and there was a penalty thrown on LSU. Got it. We were penalized this year and we beat y'all. You were not penalized in 2009 for that hit I posted and you had the infamous blind refs that also failed to see that Petersen intercepted the ball. You have come up with the most convoluted nonsense to justify it not being a penalty. This is why it is not the same.
There's a BIG difference. Y'all are bitching about Mathieu's play in which there was a penalty thrown. Y'all are bitching and there was a penalty thrown on LSU. Got it. We were penalized this year and we beat y'all. You were not penalized in 2009 for that hit I posted and you had the infamous blind refs that also failed to see that Petersen intercepted the ball. You have come up with the most convoluted nonsense to justify it not being a penalty. This is why it is not the same.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 3:18 am to The ChizMan Cometh
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The ChizMan Cometh
Valiant effort, but they are now arguing about the 09 spear on JJ.
This post was edited on 12/9/11 at 3:19 am
Posted on 12/9/11 at 3:20 am to los angeles tiger
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los angeles tiger
Ok, you're still butthurt over 2009. I'm not getting into another discussion about refs and calls. There's no point in trying. All you want to think is everyone screws you over and nothing ever goes your way. You won't ever possibly see anything other than a pro-LSU perspective. There's no point in trying.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 3:23 am to genro
9-6
HB7>Bama
Eat a bag of aids dicks
HB7>Bama
Eat a bag of aids dicks
Posted on 12/9/11 at 3:26 am to memphisplaya
It's only 330 in the am.. What could be more important or relevant than breaking down the minute details of whether or not JJ was speared back in 09. 
I know it only takes 2 to argue but come on guys.
I know it only takes 2 to argue but come on guys.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 3:27 am to The ChizMan Cometh
I may have gotten carried away...
Posted on 12/9/11 at 3:28 am to genro
You gumps are butthurt when our player was penalized, unlike the many, many penalties your players commit and there isn't a flag thrown.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 5:22 am to RollTideRockStar
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But that was intentional and shouldn't be defended. Not even by homers.
As spoken by a homer!
Posted on 12/9/11 at 6:03 am to TotalYatMove
It was a dirty play because he was not in a position to make a clean, legal block. It doesn't make him a dirty player. Just about every player makes s dirty play at some point.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 7:42 am to RollTideRockStar
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But when he swung high, that's too obvious. If you endorse this stuff, go ahead. I'm not saying he's the devil. But that was intentional and shouldn't be defended. Not even by homers.
It's a contact sport genius. If you honestly believe hitting a player in his shoulder PADS was a cheap or dirty move then you need to remove the tampon from your anus. You are right though, swinging low and hitting him in an area that would have been unprotected would have been a much better way to handle it. Hell, he probably should have just put his helmet right in the small of the his back.
There are far worse things that take place on almost every down in major college football.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 7:49 am to TotalYatMove
A couple days after the game at Sabans press conf he was asked about Dre. He said he was fine and should be ready to go sat. He was then asked what happened. Dre said he was hit in the throat. I don't think TM was trying to hit him in his throat. But the size diffference between Dre and TM may have been the problem. TM would have to swing up to hit Dre in the chest. Not a dirty play. Just football.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 8:00 am to TotalYatMove
What's the difference in penalty yardage in that situation between a PF and holding? None. Both would have been half the yardage to the goal line.
Jeeze. Didn't it take him out of the game? If you want to see real drama, watch PP's miracle leg cramps in 2009 when LSU was out of timeouts.
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The only thing I will say about Dre's reaction is that it looked a little more dramatic than what is expected of someone who plays a game that involves several bodily collisions a game.
Jeeze. Didn't it take him out of the game? If you want to see real drama, watch PP's miracle leg cramps in 2009 when LSU was out of timeouts.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 8:06 am to RollTideRockStar
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He could have gone for any other body part. The torso is the more logical choice.
So, you are saying HB7 should have just punched him in the stomach or rims. A good ole Rocky shot to the ribs.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 8:09 am to TotalYatMove
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My plea for a factual explanation of how TM7 hit on Dre was Dirty/Flagrant
TM7 made a "hit" on Swag, it was a very minor hit, the switch went off, Swag flopped and banged his head.
Posted on 12/9/11 at 8:13 am to arlo
I personally think he really played up the injury like i think a lot of players do.. I fail to see how getting hit/ grabbed around the shoulder, getting spun around and then falling on his arse all leads to laying face down for 5 minutes like someone took a baseball bat to him. It's not as bad as the flopping in soccer but it's getting close. 
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