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re: Mizzou loses 2 OL, Probably for the season.

Posted on 8/8/12 at 2:32 am to
Posted by Gladius Veritas
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 8/8/12 at 2:32 am to
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He was also a higher ranked recruit than 13 of 14 Arkansas offensive linemen that I've seen on their depth chart so far


Who fricking cares what they were rated out of high school?

Arkansas has made a living off of developing 3 stars into 4 and 5 stars.

Hell, our starting center was a 5.6 3 star and is now the #1 rated center in his draft class

And Alvin Bailey, one of our starting guards, is the #2 rated guard in his draft class and was a 3 star

Recruiting rankings = shite
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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99882 posts
Posted on 8/8/12 at 2:35 am to
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Actually the true freshman OL for Mizzou that I'm talking about, Evan Boehm, was a higher ranked recruit than 5 of 8 offensive linemen on Auburn's depth chart that I see. But don't let facts like that get in your way.


I think most agree that he'll be good with experience. But you're being terribly naive if you think that his ranking equates game experience on the line. Offensive line is easily one of the tougher positions to anchor as a freshman much less a true freshman.

This post was edited on 8/8/12 at 2:36 am
Posted by Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 8/8/12 at 2:41 am to
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I think most agree that he'll be good with experience. But you're being terribly naive if you think that his ranking equates game experience on the line. Offensive line is easily one of the tougher positions to anchor as a freshman much less a true freshman.


Not being naive, I know all those things and that's why we like any program try hard to avoid it. Pinkel has only had two true freshmen OL play at all during his tenure, for the reasons you describe.

HOWEVER, it seems to me that we are kinda getting worked both ways by the posters on here. Because we are also being told constantly that our current OL starters, from seniors on down, are not up to snuff in the SEC and are gonna get mauled and worn down and we need to recruit better, bigger guys there to compete. Well, this true freshman OL has a lot more upside, was offered and recruited by multiple SEC teams, and is bigger/more ready physically out of high school than most OL prospects are by all accounts. Of course he will take some lumps early in his first game experience - I'm just saying that if this board is to be believed, our entire offensive line is all going to be taking lumps next year anyway because we aren't up to par...so by this board's own line of thinking, perhaps letting a young prospect with higher, more SEC-level potential get experience now will be a better thing in the long run.
Posted by LSUNV
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Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 8/8/12 at 2:44 am to
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seems to me that we are kinda getting worked both ways by the posters on here


Job is done here boys!
Posted by Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 8/8/12 at 2:46 am to
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Job is done here boys!


At least take us to dinner first, jeez
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Member since Nov 2010
99882 posts
Posted on 8/8/12 at 2:48 am to
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so by this board's own line of thinking, perhaps letting a young prospect with higher, more SEC-level potential get experience now will be a better thing in the long run.


The truth is probably inbetween. By the end of the season he could end up being a better prospect then what you have, but the reality is his first 4 SEC games will be against the #5 (Georgia), #3 (South Carolina), #18 (Vandy), and #1 (Alabama) rated defenses from last season. So he's going to suffer through some serious baptism by fire. I agree he'll be better for it in the long run but this season isn't the long run.
Posted by Porter Wagoner
Richmond, VA
Member since May 2012
119 posts
Posted on 8/8/12 at 7:50 am to
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He was also a higher ranked recruit than 13 of 14 Arkansas offensive linemen that I've seen on their depth chart so far. Shall I continue or can we just agree that you are full of shite and have no idea if perhaps our guy is actually good enough to see the field for those teams right now?


Hey now, who needs facts when you can just post a witty reply like "y'all fcked".

Whenever I want to feel really smart, I come to this board and read a few threads.
Posted by Legend13
Driving a titleist
Member since Nov 2011
4079 posts
Posted on 8/8/12 at 7:50 am to
BluegrassBelle
quote:

I agree he'll be better for it in the long run but this season isn't the long run.
Bingo! There's the magic statement Belle...
Posted by Porter Wagoner
Richmond, VA
Member since May 2012
119 posts
Posted on 8/8/12 at 7:54 am to
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I think most agree that he'll be good with experience. But you're being terribly naive if you think that his ranking equates game experience on the line. Offensive line is easily one of the tougher positions to anchor as a freshman much less a true freshman.


Playable talent trumps experience though. It is not like Mizzou doesn't have older and more experienced players they can plug in. Rather, it is that Boehm already plays well above his age. Let's give some benefit of the doubt the Mizzou coaching staff which typically puts out a top tier offense.
Posted by FlatwoodsForester
Member since Jul 2012
2569 posts
Posted on 8/8/12 at 8:18 am to
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Playable talent trumps experience though.


Not always. A simple mental mistake by a true freshman can really get your QB hurt. Especially if he's just coming off of a shoulder injury.
Posted by Ozzie
OKC
Member since Dec 2011
24 posts
Posted on 8/8/12 at 8:18 am to
Hate to hear that about the two young players. I hope they have a speedy recovery.
Posted by Tackle74
Columbia, MO
Member since Mar 2012
5264 posts
Posted on 8/8/12 at 8:35 am to
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Recruiting rankings = shite


I agree to a point performance always outranks stars. Just don't tell Road Gator or most on the Rant.
Posted by dallasga6
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Member since Mar 2009
25683 posts
Posted on 8/8/12 at 8:55 am to
Sounds like y'all might still be able to cobble together a serviceable 1st. string. It sounds like depth will be a serious issue tho if your quality back-ups are gonna be starting...

You are gonna be running in 3rd stringers & walk-ons to give your front line guys a blow during the game. That's not good, ask any UGA fan about '08 when our OL got decimated by injuries during fall practice...
Posted by FightTigers
Missourah
Member since Oct 2011
2693 posts
Posted on 8/8/12 at 8:58 am to
It's really too bad ruth had to be made of glass but I figure we will be alright with Boehm out there. Could really hurt us in the uga game though
Posted by sugatowng
Look at my bling Bitches
Member since Nov 2006
25333 posts
Posted on 8/8/12 at 9:03 am to
We started a TF against Bama last year at Tackle...not the best plan ever
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 8/8/12 at 9:03 am to
I'm not worried. Our 1 stars will come in and destroy the 5 star competition. Overrated is overrated.
Posted by XUglow
San Ramon, CA
Member since Nov 2010
311 posts
Posted on 8/8/12 at 9:22 am to
The freshman will likely have some issues. A lot of first round NFL picks looked bad out of place as freshmen.

The bigger issues for Mizzou now are additional injuries, late game fatigue due to lack of depth, etc.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
141408 posts
Posted on 8/8/12 at 9:28 am to
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I agree to a point performance always outranks stars. Just don't tell Road Gator or most on the Rant.


RoadGator never said anything about stars except for take a look at the last 6-10 national champions and then their overall star ratings.

You may not need highly rated classes/recruits to be competitive but recent history suggests you need just that in order to win it all.

I guess it depends on where you want your program to be.

If you were referring to my threads about your team and where they were ranked, well, that's all I have to start from since analyzing film on all your players is impossible.

Stars matter but they aren't everything. You can certainly find diamonds in the rough but you cannot field an entire team full of diamonds and expect to win a crystal trophy.

Look at our class. It's a nice mix of 3,4 and 5 star players.
Posted by RoscoeHarper
Edmond, OK
Member since Aug 2011
4551 posts
Posted on 8/8/12 at 9:54 am to
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Texas A&M started two true freshman OL last year. It happens. It's not ideal, and Pinkel tries to avoid it, but when you have 2 OL go down like we just did, it can happen.


That was two years ago.

And those guys are now our bookend all-american tackles.
Posted by jafo
Northwest Missouri State Bearcats
Member since Jan 2012
2954 posts
Posted on 8/8/12 at 10:00 am to
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I think most agree that he'll be good with experience. But you're being terribly naive if you think that his ranking equates game experience on the line. Offensive line is easily one of the tougher positions to anchor as a freshman much less a true freshman.


I agree. Also, they don't just rank these kids because they have nothing better to do. I think he understands the live contact experience. But whats getting lost here is being ranked where he's at out of HS, he might be alittle ahead of the curve. It's not like he's never played a game before. He's practiced against some very good defensive guys all through HS. Not to mention, played under some game pressure competing for state title runs.

I know, I know. I'll save the doom dayers some writing. "But that wasn't the SEC". We'll be finding out about him real soon.
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