Mizzou Fan in Da ATX

Whichever one of you Barner nimrods that was, stop calling me, I don't want any.

Unless you're one of those Auburn bag men types. In which case I can meet you at the Waffle House at 3:30 Central tomorrow. TIA

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Good I'd like to get a different perspective of what is happening at Mizzou. Not just you guys condemning and judging people without full knowledge of all the facts. I might agree with most of you after I watch but no one deserves to go to school in a hostile environment.

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I grew up in CoMo so I tend to take these sorts of comments VERY personally.

It is NOT a hostile environment any more so than any other college campus or college town in America is for anybody. No way. No more so than Tuscaloosa or Athens or CS or Ann Arbor or Boulder or Syracuse etc.

At any of those places you can find individual instances of people acting stupid or badly - see the A&M incident toward visiting black students just recently. But it wasn't representative of A&M or the community as a whole and they responded the right way to make that clear. Likewise, I can tell you flat out and unquestionably in living in Columbia MO for 18 years that "poop swastikas" and the like are NOT at all representative of the tone or daily goings on at the University or the town.

This is where the CS1950 movement totally failed. They had a chance to have a national discussion about these issues, but instead they have just kept so narrowly focused on Mizzou alone and their own little list of demands (some of which are unconstitutional) that they are causing outsiders who have never even been on campus to perceive *Mizzou* as a "hostile" environment of some sort rather than pulling back and saying "hey, since that university and town are so normal, this is something that could happen anywhere, even in my town, what would I think if it happened here? What can I do to make sure it doesn't?" etc.

Perfect example is CS1950 getting the student body president to fabricate reports one night that the "KKK was confirmed to be on campus" and sending the whole student body and town into a panic. It was quickly proven false, but the damage of the lie was done. And it really does hurt. In 18 years there, I never, ever, ever heard of or encountered the freaking KKK in town doing anything. Ever. It's just not what the University and the town are. It's your standard laid back relatively liberal college town. Nothing more, nothing less.

Spot on. In a strange way the best thing for Mizzou to fully recapture its image at this point may be for CS1950 to keep making demands, because each one gets more ridiculous, giving Mizzou more opportunity to say hey, we initially tried to be responsive to our students but it turns out we were ambushed by a lunatic fringe that even the long time civil rights leaders on campus have found to be unreasonable. Case closed, lesson learned.

I think at this point the main thing is to get this Jonathan Butler kid graduated already, 7 years is freaking enough. If demands this loony are the best they can do now with him, think how rudderless and inept the group will be when he's gone. Whatever tap dance can be done short of expelling him to politely tell this kid "ok, it's been 7 years, here's a degree you yourself tarnished, buh bye now," do it.

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How much you want to bet this change in attitude was driven by a change in the dollars coming in?

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That's always a factor for every decision, but conversely the threat of losing dollars on an upcoming football game with BYU when the football players were striking is what led to Mizzou's knee jerk reaction in the first place. It's easy to nitpick in hindsight, but the fact is half the football team started striking which was rather unprecedented and at the time the school reacted to preserve that revenue flow in the short term however it could. It was messy but predictable.

Right now is the perfect time for Mizzou to go on the offensive - the interim President is a former campus civil rights leader himself so they aren't going to attack him or call for his head, and football season is over.

Hell, the only thing the men's basketball team could make threats with at this point would be to keep on playing the remainder of their 2016 season to the end rather than just stopping now and striking. That's actually really scary.

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It always seems to me that systematic cheating, like everyone suspects at Ole Miss and other programs, is a complete house of cards. It requires everyone to keep their mouths shut in order to work, so it's only as strong as the weakest link- the person with the most to lose or the most pissed off. But there's that old saying about 3 people being able to keep a secret only if 2 of them are dead. So, I'm wondering who talked? A kid who went somewhere else? A parent who didn't get the benefits they were promised for their baby boy's signature? Someone pissed that someone else got more than them or their family in the deal?

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^^^Credible source alert. :cheers: Y'all should listen to this poster, she knows your dirty laundry. And it's the stank.

Whole SEC durty

nobody clean

'cept Vandy sometimes

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That there is the debatable point. Video is at least from before December, as evidenced by the haircut. If this video/situation was the reason for original suspension, it seems to me that it would be bad look to re-punish him after already reinstating him.

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The play by Mizzou all along though has pretty clearly been to try to avoid this coming out and just keep it vaguely that he was "suspended for violation of team rules." As long as Mizzou could somewhat avoid the world at large knowing what the violation was, it could try to keep him around and fix it internally.

My guess is that Mauk and the coaching staff and AD have understood all along that if Maty's coke use become public, Mizzou would have to publicly be all "oh my gosh we had no idea" and give him the boot coinciding with a strong public service announcement that "drugs are bad, mmmkay." Which is where we are now.

From a PR standpoint, a recruiting standpoint, and a team harmony standpoint moving forward, I don't think Mizzou can afford to let the national public perception be that a kid caught doing coke is allowed to stay with the program. Regardless of when the video was taken I think Mizzou has to act surprised as if its never seen it before and take action.

Remember how Michael Dixon situation went down. It wasn't what he was actually alleged to have done in 2010 that pushed him out - it was the story of what may have happened in 2010 finally getting picked up by the media in 2012 along with his more recent accusation. Whatever one thinks of it, that's probably just the way this goes in terms of college sports PR...there's what has happened, what might have happened, and what the media runs with as having might have happened, and the latter is the one that an athletic department and university will always knee jerk to and take action on.

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Mizzou has given it a pretty good go in the first four years, but I doubt they'll keep up that pace as the years go by

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Of course, we were never supposed to give it a pretty good go in the first four years either.

Also, if one were to include Mizzou's record against SEC teams prior to joining the SEC, we jump to 41-32-1 all time. I dunno why, but we really waxed y'alls asses all over the place in non-con matchups in the 1960s and 70s. Not just talking Vandys and Kentuckys either, we're talking Bama, LSU, Florida, Auburn etc.

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Concerned Student 1950 is not going to like this.

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They are Concerned about the employment status of middle aged white dudes?