Started By
Message
1
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:14 am to skrayper
I didnt understand most of the bravado from our fans this offseason.
We had 14 players drafted, lost another 3 or 4 to UDFA, then lost 2 or 3 to Covid, and had 2 or 3 transfer.
That puts the majority of the pressure on our 2018 recruiting class which was ranked 15th and thats with guys like Jamarr Chase being included.
It was never in the cards for LSU to be very good this season, if they only lose 3 games I'll count that as a successful year.
You just have no chemistry or experience at the important positions that involve a lot of communication like the offensive line, quarterback, and secondary.
We had 14 players drafted, lost another 3 or 4 to UDFA, then lost 2 or 3 to Covid, and had 2 or 3 transfer.
That puts the majority of the pressure on our 2018 recruiting class which was ranked 15th and thats with guys like Jamarr Chase being included.
It was never in the cards for LSU to be very good this season, if they only lose 3 games I'll count that as a successful year.
You just have no chemistry or experience at the important positions that involve a lot of communication like the offensive line, quarterback, and secondary.
This post was edited on 10/6/20 at 9:16 am
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:14 am to diddlydawg7
quote:
Your first post on SECRant in 10 days! What happened bro?
Don’t post here much at all anymore. Didn’t last year while LSU was making a title run.
Don’t see a reason. LSU gets plenty of attention thanks to posters like you.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:16 am to diddlydawg7
quote:
I think LSU is lucky they only have to face one difficult DL this year. The fact that they gave up 7 sacks to Mississippi St does not bode well for them
Do you feel as though they won't progress any as the season continues?
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:21 am to skrayper
It was a perfect storm of things:
-obviously LSU lost a ton to draft and opt-outs
-Stingley out last minute
-Players in the secondary playing that had no business being on the field yet
-Pelini had an awful game plan and for whatever reason didn’t adjust during game
-Pelini/O have said all offseason how they want a more aggressive and attacking D, and that’s all fine and good overall, but was not the right strategy for that particular game against that particular team/coach, but they were stubbornly determined to showcase this new strategy in Game1
-LSU coaches came into the game too cocky/stubborn (Specifically on defense)
-MSU offense really played well, especially the QB
-LSU was shell-shocked by MSU playing well
-LSU offense clearly wasn’t ready for a shoot-out just yet and clearly wasn’t as polished and ready for Game1 as MSU was
-LSU made the mistake of getting caught up in a shootout and didn’t run the ball enough, which would have helped the crappy defense
-limited fan capacity which pretty much negated any home field advantage
Long story short...LSU was ripe to be upset, and MSU took full advantage of the opportunity/circumstances
As far as LSU is concerned, it absolutely sucked but probably good that it happened early and can get everyone’s attention real quick and can be used a teaching/learning moment
-obviously LSU lost a ton to draft and opt-outs
-Stingley out last minute
-Players in the secondary playing that had no business being on the field yet
-Pelini had an awful game plan and for whatever reason didn’t adjust during game
-Pelini/O have said all offseason how they want a more aggressive and attacking D, and that’s all fine and good overall, but was not the right strategy for that particular game against that particular team/coach, but they were stubbornly determined to showcase this new strategy in Game1
-LSU coaches came into the game too cocky/stubborn (Specifically on defense)
-MSU offense really played well, especially the QB
-LSU was shell-shocked by MSU playing well
-LSU offense clearly wasn’t ready for a shoot-out just yet and clearly wasn’t as polished and ready for Game1 as MSU was
-LSU made the mistake of getting caught up in a shootout and didn’t run the ball enough, which would have helped the crappy defense
-limited fan capacity which pretty much negated any home field advantage
Long story short...LSU was ripe to be upset, and MSU took full advantage of the opportunity/circumstances
As far as LSU is concerned, it absolutely sucked but probably good that it happened early and can get everyone’s attention real quick and can be used a teaching/learning moment
This post was edited on 10/6/20 at 9:52 am
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:36 am to Captain Crown
quote:
Do you feel as though they won't progress any as the season continues?
They 100% will, but giving up 7 sacks is a tough place to start. Not to mention opposing DLs can improve
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:41 am to skrayper
While I fully admit that the scheme was poor, I think having the best corner in America hospitalized the night before the game had more to do with the defensive showing than the scheme itself.
There’s a lot more options on defense when one player can remove the opponent’s best receiver from the field on 95% of the defensive snaps.
There’s a lot more options on defense when one player can remove the opponent’s best receiver from the field on 95% of the defensive snaps.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:42 am to diddlydawg7
Having the majority of the team in and around hospital till 2-3 AM night before game, concerned Stingley could actually DIE from allergic reaction, which in turn no DB played their normal position they practiced all camp probably didn’t help, just saying.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:43 am to diddlydawg7
You could say Georgia’s defense was lucky to only face one good offense last year, unfortunately it was late in the season.
Looks like they’ve got 2 schedule this year, so we’ll see if they can make some adjustments afterwards.
Not saying LSU won’t keep giving up sacks, and part of that is on a less-mobile QB, but I’d rather learn the lesson early than it cost us in something that actually matters.
Looks like they’ve got 2 schedule this year, so we’ll see if they can make some adjustments afterwards.
Not saying LSU won’t keep giving up sacks, and part of that is on a less-mobile QB, but I’d rather learn the lesson early than it cost us in something that actually matters.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:43 am to skrayper
Playing more zone would have helped. But also game experience would have helped. Like Ricks made a play that gave up a TD that he probably wouldn't have made with more experience.
Ward playing hurt. He shouldn't have been on the field. He didn't know he was playing until Stingly was out. he wasn't going to dress.
The offense staying on the field would have helped especially early in the game. I mean, we only lost by 10. If Myles had more experience playing, then maybe we win, maybe we go to OT. IDK.
State just outplayed LSU. Happens. IDK if we'd have won with all of that but I'd have been less angry about it. Losing isn't the end of the world this year. We have a lot of inexperience on the field. But not changing things in-game was infuriating.
Ward playing hurt. He shouldn't have been on the field. He didn't know he was playing until Stingly was out. he wasn't going to dress.
The offense staying on the field would have helped especially early in the game. I mean, we only lost by 10. If Myles had more experience playing, then maybe we win, maybe we go to OT. IDK.
State just outplayed LSU. Happens. IDK if we'd have won with all of that but I'd have been less angry about it. Losing isn't the end of the world this year. We have a lot of inexperience on the field. But not changing things in-game was infuriating.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:44 am to atomic31
quote:this was probably the deciding factor in the game. had stingley been available, ward doesn't have to play. that's a HUGE HUGE swing towards lsu. i didn't want to say that having stingley would have been a win because that's an excuse but, looking at week 2, i think stingley might have made the difference, even with pelini playing man given that stingley excels at that. i definitely think if the first two weeks had been reversed, lsu would be undefeated.
Ward played hurt
the mystery was flott. he graded really well last season even though he didn't play nearly as much as stingley/fulton. i don't know what the problem was but he seemed to get his sea legs at vandy. made some plays.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:46 am to America1776
quote:
You could say Georgia’s defense was lucky to only face one good offense last year,
Except you couldn’t. We played 6 top-30 offenses.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:47 am to diddlydawg7
quote:
top-30
Need you to move the bar up juuuuust a little there, bud lol
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:50 am to skrayper
quote:
Do you think if LSU's defense had adopted a different scheme, could you have beaten Mississippi State?
100% yes. They should have been playing/practicing zone the minute State was announced to be our opening opponent.
quote:
Or was your defense just too depleted from the draft and players opting out to make a difference regardless?
No. Vincent opting out Stingley Jr. not being there absolutely hurt, but there is enough raw athletic absolute at safety and CB we should have been able to keep things in front of us.
quote:
Or was MSU's QB just so on point that particular day, none of it mattered and you were only going to win by hitting almost 50 points on offense? )
Oh he was on, but what killed us was YAC because we were in man and had our backs turned and struggled to come off our man and rally to the ball.
quote:
You've seen State against another opponent, and you've seen LSU against another opponent (granted it was Vandy, but still). Going back now, do you think it was a failure of personnel, coaching, or just wrong time, wrong place (or right time, right place for MSU's offense?
Combination of coaching, people opting out/being out/being hurt, and weird year. If LSU has a full stadium, I think we win that game.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:51 am to diddlydawg7
quote:
but giving up 7 sacks is a tough place to start
Seems like they could only improve then
. 
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:52 am to skrayper
I'm not sure LSU had enough time to install different coverages with all the new/inexperienced players. Man is the simplest scheme to play. Still the defense gave us 4 turnovers and the offense didn't do shite for the entire first half. I think the paper-thin D was worn out by the 2nd half
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:52 am to America1776
quote:
Need you to move the bar up juuuuust a little there, bud lol
There are 130 FBS teams. We played 6 teams that were in the top 23% of offenses. For the record, LSU played 6 top 30 offenses last year as well.
Other than LSU, we held them each to 0, 13, 14, 14, and 17. Our defense was the best in the country last year.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:52 am to skrayper
quote:
So let's talk some actual football in this place.
The Rant is not equipped to handle this sort of thing. But good luck anyways.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:55 am to diddlydawg7
quote:
Our defense was the best in the country last year.
And yet, my point remains—They were woefully unprepared in the SEC championship game.
I remember seeing UGA only faced one or two starting QBs all of last year at some point. Rest were backups or WRs playing QB. Maybe if they’d faced a decent QB up to that point it could have prepare them better? That’s my only point
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:56 am to skrayper
quote:
Do you think if LSU's defense had adopted a different scheme, could you have beaten Mississippi State?
Considering Arkansas was able to zone them to death, it begs the question could we have done the same. Yes it sucked to lose Stingley, but I doubt Arkansas still has notably more talent than us in the secondary even with him out. We came in with just a really stupid scheme for that game and credit to Costello for making the throws in the 1 on 1 coverage, but with the pressure our DL was already able to get, it made no sense to be blitzing more than 50% of the time that game and leave so many 1 on 1s everywhere where they could get away with things like pick plays to get someone opened up as well. In zone, that doesnt happen.
Having to play Evans/Ward when both were not supposed to play sucks, but we put them in the worst spots possible covering so many dudes 1 on 1 all game. If you give them some help in zone, you see what happens when you force Costello or an air raid like Leach's into fitting the ball into tight bracketed windows constantly rather than throwing it up to a lot of 1 on 1 matchups and guys you can pick/rub open.
Washington routinely shut down Leach at Wazzu and embarrassed their offense each and every year just by zoning them and only rushing 3 or 4 all game.
This post was edited on 10/6/20 at 11:13 am
Page 2 of 5
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News