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LSU fans, honest question...
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:51 am
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:51 am
Do you think if LSU's defense had adopted a different scheme, could you have beaten Mississippi State?
Or was your defense just too depleted from the draft and players opting out to make a difference regardless?
Or was MSU's QB just so on point that particular day, none of it mattered and you were only going to win by hitting almost 50 points on offense?
You've seen State against another opponent, and you've seen LSU against another opponent (granted it was Vandy, but still). Going back now, do you think it was a failure of personnel, coaching, or just wrong time, wrong place (or right time, right place for MSU's offense?)
So let's talk some actual football in this place.
Or was your defense just too depleted from the draft and players opting out to make a difference regardless?
Or was MSU's QB just so on point that particular day, none of it mattered and you were only going to win by hitting almost 50 points on offense?
You've seen State against another opponent, and you've seen LSU against another opponent (granted it was Vandy, but still). Going back now, do you think it was a failure of personnel, coaching, or just wrong time, wrong place (or right time, right place for MSU's offense?)
So let's talk some actual football in this place.
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Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:52 am to skrayper
LSU wins that game under Miles with more ball control, but 2019 never happens. I will gladly take that trade
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:54 am to atomic31
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LSU wins that game under Miles with more ball control, but 2019 never happens. I will gladly take that trade
Fair, though I'm not asking for time travel or some kind of monkey's paw or "It's a Wonderful Life" wish. Just what things did we learn from game 1 to game 2.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:55 am to skrayper
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Do you think if LSU's defense had adopted a different scheme, could you have beaten Mississippi State?
I think KJ was just on that day like you allude to later in this post but playing more of a scheme similar to Arkansas would've helped a ton and given us more of a chance to win.
Not having to face Kylin Hill wouldve also helped.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:56 am to skrayper
I think it was more of the scheme.
Stingley being out probably had the young DBs a little nervous.
Our oldest DB just came on campus like 2 weeks before our game, and was a Nicholls transfer. He arguably played the worst out if the bunch #26 Evans.
I personally think Bo’s attacking defense attacked to much, we blitzed often on a passing every down team and they burned us.
A lot of times it was leaving our young Dbs man to man, which wasn’t the best case with Stingley out.
I think if we had played more of drop 8 rush 3 we win. Also if Stingley was there he himself would deduct about 10 points from the game IMO.
Stingley being out probably had the young DBs a little nervous.
Our oldest DB just came on campus like 2 weeks before our game, and was a Nicholls transfer. He arguably played the worst out if the bunch #26 Evans.
I personally think Bo’s attacking defense attacked to much, we blitzed often on a passing every down team and they burned us.
A lot of times it was leaving our young Dbs man to man, which wasn’t the best case with Stingley out.
I think if we had played more of drop 8 rush 3 we win. Also if Stingley was there he himself would deduct about 10 points from the game IMO.
This post was edited on 10/6/20 at 9:01 am
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:57 am to skrayper
If LSU plays MSU 10 times over the next 10 weeks, LSU wins 9 of the 10.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:57 am to skrayper
I think we learned how little depth LSU has a DB. Without Stingley, the best CB was a true freshman. Ward played hurt, Evans (A Nicholls transfer that came in a few weeks ago), got torched, and Flott played below average as well. I don't know why LSU didn't play more zone but perhaps the guys we did have on gameday weren't ready
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:58 am to skrayper
I think LSU is lucky they only have to face one difficult DL this year. The fact that they gave up 7 sacks to Mississippi St does not bode well for them.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:59 am to skrayper
It was completely on Pelini. Not sure why he insisted on so much man to man when it has been shown dropping 8 into coverage works every time against the air raid. When Bo did use zone, LSU intercepted MSU.
100% on Bo. Hopefully he learns from it and adapts going forward.
100% on Bo. Hopefully he learns from it and adapts going forward.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:00 am to diddlydawg7
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The fact that they gave up 7 sacks to Mississippi St does not bode well for them.
to be fair to our OL the biggest cause of this was MB's indecisiveness which hopefully will improve
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:01 am to diddlydawg7
The o line actually graded well in pass blocking, Brennan just held the ball forever. The most encouraging thing to me from week 1-2 was the fact that brennan went from most time holding the ball on each dropback (2.87 seconds) to least (2.14 seconds) in the sec. he’s not and won’t be burrow, and had some yikes throws, but week 2 he looked a lot more comfortable
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:01 am to diddlydawg7
The O-line is certainly not good but a huge part of the problem in the MSU games was Myles holding the ball too long, not the blocking. I don't have the stat on me right now but he had a decent amount of time per snap to throw, and guys were open. He just didn't read the field fast enough, which is weird considering that he looked just fine in his snaps last year.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:02 am to skrayper
It was a scheme issue and a personnel issue. Losing Stingley for that game really hurt. While the defense did try to adjust to some zone concepts, they didn't work. Having a transfer from Nicholls State, who was on campus for less than two weeks, starting didn't help either.
Bottom line, I think if Stingley plays we would have won that game.
Bottom line, I think if Stingley plays we would have won that game.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:04 am to atomic31
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I think we learned how little depth LSU has a DB. Without Stingley, the best CB was a true freshman. Ward played hurt, Evans (A Nicholls transfer that came in a few weeks ago), got torched, and Flott played below average as well. I don't know why LSU didn't play more zone but perhaps the guys we did have on gameday weren't ready
That's what I wondered too... if without Stingley, and with all those younger guys, that they were reluctant to run zone. Especially if Stingley is also the guy on the defense calling out to the secondary their positions. Easier to get burned playing man, but it's also easier to tell a DB "cover the guy with #8 on his jersey" than to instruct them on how to play zone. IF they hadn't gotten all the zone concepts down, that may not have been a real option.
That is a HORRIBLY young secondary, especially in SEC play. Considering LSU will face at least three more really strong passing attacks (Ole Miss, Alabama and Florida) that's going to be rough sledding.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:05 am to diddlydawg7
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I think LSU
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diddlydawg7
Yes we know. 24/7. It’s weird.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:06 am to skrayper
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That's what I wondered too... if without Stingley, and with all those younger guys, that they were reluctant to run zone.
Its what Pelini claims
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That is a HORRIBLY young secondary, especially in SEC play. Considering LSU will face at least three more really strong passing attacks (Ole Miss, Alabama and Florida) that's going to be rough sledding.
Our best hope is:
1. Pressure the quarterbacks early and often
2. Hope Myles can score some points
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:08 am to skrayper
Pelini got stubborn and then got behind. By the end, our D got gassed. Plus State's QB had the game of his life. He'll have a few more good games this season but will be hard to top this one for him. State will finish about the same as we do: 7-3 / 6-4 ish.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:08 am to skrayper
LSU wins w/ Stingley...easy
This post was edited on 10/7/20 at 9:22 am
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:08 am to skrayper
Luckily for LSU, the D-line is playing pretty well, but it could get ugly if these DB's don't develop quickly. Ricks has been playing very well, and obviously Stingley is a stud, but we need the other guys to step up.
I'm wondering if Flott played so poorly because he had to play out wide. He had been practicing at Nickel for the entirety of camp.
I'm wondering if Flott played so poorly because he had to play out wide. He had been practicing at Nickel for the entirety of camp.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:09 am to SidewalkTiger
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Our best hope is:
1. Pressure the quarterbacks early and often
It seems, against Alabama at least, you're going to have to commit to the blitz a lot to accomplish this. I don't know how well Ole Miss' and Florida's lines have been, but Alabama's has been pretty damned good in pass protection.
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2. Hope Myles can score some points
Well, so far he's managed to do so. LSU is averaging over 35 per game. Not as big as last year, but still not an anemic offense by any stretch.
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