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re: Kirby and Georgia letting Fields and Eason walk
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:05 pm to sabes que
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:05 pm to sabes que
Choosing Fromm over Fields is the single dumbest decision a UGA coach has ever made, and possibly the dumbest decision in all of college football.
Any Georgia fan who is honest, and there are quite a few of us, will admit that.
In all likelihood, that stupid choice will be Kirby Smart’s legacy, and will follow him even when he is someone’s defensive coordinator in a few years.
Any Georgia fan who is honest, and there are quite a few of us, will admit that.
In all likelihood, that stupid choice will be Kirby Smart’s legacy, and will follow him even when he is someone’s defensive coordinator in a few years.
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:05 pm to NCDawg52
My god man
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:08 pm to NCDawg52
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Choosing Fromm over Fields is the single dumbest decision a UGA coach has ever made, and possibly the dumbest decision in all of college football.
Meh.
With the future and the portal, lots of teams are going to feel this same burn.
No one really talented is just going to hang around to sit on the bench anymore.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:47 pm to NCDawg52
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Any Georgia fan who is honest, and there are quite a few of us, will admit that
Why don't you be honest and admit Kirby Smart knows one hell of a lot more about coaching college football than you? Kirby ain't perfect, but I trust his judgment more than that of some armchair expert.
Playoff wins-- Fromm 1, Fields 0.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 4:11 pm to NCDawg52
I'd like to think that I qualify as one of the more honest UGA fans on these boards...
Hyperbolic statement is hyperbolic.
Somewhat long post incoming... TL;DR Kirby is stubborn. Justin Fields decision wasn't inherently wrong at the time, but it is a sign of Kirby's stubbornness.
At the time the decision was made, it was still the correct decision. The real errors were:
1) not finding a way to get a scholarship spot for Bennett or another backup QB for 2018 so that Fields could redshirt and you could really and truly work with him in a way to prepare him for an offensive scheme that highlights his skills.
2) Building on that, once the decision was made to use him as a backup and getting him snaps - not working to actually have a gameplan around his strengths, and rather trying to get him to give his best Jake Fromm impression... Asking a fish to climb a tree and judging them on that skillset is pretty dumb.
It's obvious that Fields has a higher athletic ceiling at this point, and if Kirby was honest, even then it was... but they were not at any point during that season on equal footing in terms of preparedness to run an offense. Fields while having an impressive season even this year showed flashes of the same panic in the handful of moments he was really tested this season.
Kirby has seemed tied to one big philosophy that could be his undoing ultimately which is that players should just be able to always line up and beat the person they're working against... It seems to show up in two key areas. One of those, he corrected this season (or Lanning and the rest of the defensive staff did) in terms of manufacturing QB pressure. We still seem to have trouble getting a marquis pass rusher that forces teams to gameplan but we did a MUCH better job this season of creating QB pressure. Even in the LSU game we were forcing Burrow to move from his spot, but we lacked elite closing speed to make him pay before he could take off... FWIW, it doesn't seem like many teams have been able to do that with him.
The other, however, is sort of ingrained in whatever this offensive philosophy Kirby is married to right now... If Kirby wants to blame the poor offensive output on receiver quality/experience in the wake of draft departures/dismissal, I'd run that one right back around at him and Coley. If you *know* your WRs are insufficient, then it's your job to *scheme* them open, rather than just keep spouting off shite like "players not plays" and "you've gotta beat your man and create separation"... In watching teams like LSU, OSU, and Clemson, I saw some plays where 1:1 separation was created, but frequently it was rub/pick routes OR scramble drills thanks to having a mobile QB who was able to extend plays and wait for defenses to breakdown.
It's a weird belief of Kirby's knowing full well that the more talented team doesn't always win. We'll see how well he's able to adapt/adjust, but I do think his stubbornness if left unchecked will probably be the thing responsible for any kind of departure from Athens, were it to happen (and I see no reason to believe it would be soon). The Fields decision was a symptom/side effect not the underlying cause.
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Choosing Fromm over Fields is the single dumbest decision a UGA coach has ever made, and possibly the dumbest decision in all of college football.
Hyperbolic statement is hyperbolic.
Somewhat long post incoming... TL;DR Kirby is stubborn. Justin Fields decision wasn't inherently wrong at the time, but it is a sign of Kirby's stubbornness.
At the time the decision was made, it was still the correct decision. The real errors were:
1) not finding a way to get a scholarship spot for Bennett or another backup QB for 2018 so that Fields could redshirt and you could really and truly work with him in a way to prepare him for an offensive scheme that highlights his skills.
2) Building on that, once the decision was made to use him as a backup and getting him snaps - not working to actually have a gameplan around his strengths, and rather trying to get him to give his best Jake Fromm impression... Asking a fish to climb a tree and judging them on that skillset is pretty dumb.
It's obvious that Fields has a higher athletic ceiling at this point, and if Kirby was honest, even then it was... but they were not at any point during that season on equal footing in terms of preparedness to run an offense. Fields while having an impressive season even this year showed flashes of the same panic in the handful of moments he was really tested this season.
Kirby has seemed tied to one big philosophy that could be his undoing ultimately which is that players should just be able to always line up and beat the person they're working against... It seems to show up in two key areas. One of those, he corrected this season (or Lanning and the rest of the defensive staff did) in terms of manufacturing QB pressure. We still seem to have trouble getting a marquis pass rusher that forces teams to gameplan but we did a MUCH better job this season of creating QB pressure. Even in the LSU game we were forcing Burrow to move from his spot, but we lacked elite closing speed to make him pay before he could take off... FWIW, it doesn't seem like many teams have been able to do that with him.
The other, however, is sort of ingrained in whatever this offensive philosophy Kirby is married to right now... If Kirby wants to blame the poor offensive output on receiver quality/experience in the wake of draft departures/dismissal, I'd run that one right back around at him and Coley. If you *know* your WRs are insufficient, then it's your job to *scheme* them open, rather than just keep spouting off shite like "players not plays" and "you've gotta beat your man and create separation"... In watching teams like LSU, OSU, and Clemson, I saw some plays where 1:1 separation was created, but frequently it was rub/pick routes OR scramble drills thanks to having a mobile QB who was able to extend plays and wait for defenses to breakdown.
It's a weird belief of Kirby's knowing full well that the more talented team doesn't always win. We'll see how well he's able to adapt/adjust, but I do think his stubbornness if left unchecked will probably be the thing responsible for any kind of departure from Athens, were it to happen (and I see no reason to believe it would be soon). The Fields decision was a symptom/side effect not the underlying cause.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 4:32 pm to sabes que
what has Eason done?
Posted on 12/31/19 at 9:25 pm to djsdawg
Yea, ok. Stop being delusional. Why do you think Fields wasn't starting over Fromm? I've never been at a UGA practice to know what the coaches saw. But I guarantee they saw what the entire country has seen this year... FIELDS IS CLEARLY BETTER THAN FROMM!
Some coaches at big time programs need tenure before they can just override the "important" donors. Kirby Smart is new to HC and doesn't have the tenure nor reputation. If Saban was at UGA, Fields would've started and nobody woulda questioned what Saban did.
There's lots of coaches in that position, it's not a slight on Smart. In time, if he remains at UGA and continues to be successful, he'll get there. Richt was at a point where his decisions were his own and not interfered with by "the powers that be".
Some coaches at big time programs need tenure before they can just override the "important" donors. Kirby Smart is new to HC and doesn't have the tenure nor reputation. If Saban was at UGA, Fields would've started and nobody woulda questioned what Saban did.
There's lots of coaches in that position, it's not a slight on Smart. In time, if he remains at UGA and continues to be successful, he'll get there. Richt was at a point where his decisions were his own and not interfered with by "the powers that be".
Posted on 1/1/20 at 6:32 am to fibonaccisquared
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At the time the decision was made, it was still the correct decision. The real errors were:
1) not finding a way to get a scholarship spot for Bennett or another backup QB for 2018 so that Fields could redshirt and you could really and truly work with him in a way to prepare him for an offensive scheme that highlights his skills
You are beyond delusional
A guy with Fields' arm talent, size & athleticism was NEVER going to RS, from day 1 wherever he went to college, Fields was going to enter the draft 3 years after he left HS
Your basic premise is so far off base and flawed it's laughable
TLaw was #1 & Fields was #1a coming out of HS and everyone with any common sense knew they'd be entering the draft after 3 years of College
Now I see why Kurby gets away with his idiot Coaching decisions, his fanbase is full of delusional enablers that refuse to hold him accountable
Posted on 1/1/20 at 8:43 am to Leto II
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Plus to properly utilize Fields, you'd have to adapt that offense a little.
Some believe Kirby went after Fields to keep him from Mullen.
This post was edited on 1/1/20 at 8:45 am
Posted on 1/1/20 at 9:17 am to Leto II
Because by the time Eason got over being injured Fromm was playing better than Eason had the prior year as a true freshman. Fields got his chances although they were limited because Kirby and staff didn’t have series planned for him when he was brought in so he never got in rhythm; it also affected Fromm’s rhythm. But when Fields did get his rare chances to throw he didn’t go through progressions, if his first option wasn’t open he took off running, which combined with how the staff were using him (hand offs and runs) the defense was ready and pigeon holed him.
When Eason and Fromm were on the same team Fromm was the better QB, when Fromm and Fields were on same team Fromm was the better QB for the system they were running.
The offensive struggles this year can’t all be put on Fromm, did he miss some throws? Yes but all QB’s do. He had a rotating OLine that didn’t produce the running lanes the backs were used too; he lost his best and most experienced wide receivers and the ones he had were rotated like Oline due to injuries and later on suspensions to Pickens. Hard to get an offense in rhythm when you can’t open holes in running game, receivers dropping passes even when/if they get separation. I been telling even the UGA fans he can’t throw the damn football and catch it too. I’m not making excuses sometimes he was off target but go back and watch more times than not he hit the receivers in the hands than he missed his throws
When Eason and Fromm were on the same team Fromm was the better QB, when Fromm and Fields were on same team Fromm was the better QB for the system they were running.
The offensive struggles this year can’t all be put on Fromm, did he miss some throws? Yes but all QB’s do. He had a rotating OLine that didn’t produce the running lanes the backs were used too; he lost his best and most experienced wide receivers and the ones he had were rotated like Oline due to injuries and later on suspensions to Pickens. Hard to get an offense in rhythm when you can’t open holes in running game, receivers dropping passes even when/if they get separation. I been telling even the UGA fans he can’t throw the damn football and catch it too. I’m not making excuses sometimes he was off target but go back and watch more times than not he hit the receivers in the hands than he missed his throws
Posted on 1/1/20 at 9:18 am to DawgTired
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Kirby ain't perfect, but I trust his judgment more than that of some armchair exper
Only a couple of things prove Kirby isn’t perfect more than his decision to let Fields leave.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 9:21 am to ellis197575
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Why do you think Fields wasn't starting over Fromm?
Not because of boosters.
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Some coaches at big time programs need tenure before they can just override the "important" donors. Kirby Smart is new to HC and doesn't have the tenure nor reputation. If Saban was at UGA, Fields would've started and nobody woulda questioned what Saban did.
Hurts started over tua in 2017 because of boosters?
Posted on 1/1/20 at 9:22 am to Dawgnation1975
I think it is understated regarding the UGA offensive line.
We were healthy at tackle for the most part all season (1 game without Wilson at RT).
But we had games with 3rd string left guard. 3rd string center. And 3rd string right guard. I dont know how many teams can pull out wins with their 3rd string running the interior offensive line.
We were healthy at tackle for the most part all season (1 game without Wilson at RT).
But we had games with 3rd string left guard. 3rd string center. And 3rd string right guard. I dont know how many teams can pull out wins with their 3rd string running the interior offensive line.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 9:23 am to Dawgnation1975
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more times than not he hit the receivers in the hands than he missed his throws
This isn’t true at all. The only way someone can say this is if they are blaming the wr for not catching a bad pass
Posted on 1/1/20 at 9:25 am to sabes que
Fromm fits the kind of offense that Kirby can understand. I think after losing these two kids and not winning a NC when he's had ample opportunity to do so will finally make him take some action on getting a more modern offense in place. If he doesn't, he'll be on the heat seat very soon. Surely, Kirby can't be that stubborn like Les Miles was.
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