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re: Kirby and Georgia letting Fields and Eason walk

Posted on 12/24/19 at 8:46 am to
Posted by King Kirby
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 12/24/19 at 8:46 am to
Fields is where he needs to be. GA doesn’t have the coaching to use Fields properly and would have ultimately hurt his draft stock.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58911 posts
Posted on 12/24/19 at 8:51 am to
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Right, which is why I want one that is less complicated. Spread concepts are relatively simple and more similar to what most of the player ran in high school.




I don't really understand the spread as well as I should. I mean, wide receiver skills and challenges, yes...but the nuts and bolts of spread is foreign to me, so I will bow to your knowledge. It looks complicated from a WR perspective....but then again, I played in a veer offense.
The veer pretty much had a FB,Tail back, Te, and two WRs. The traffic in the secondary was not crowded, and we didn't throw the ball nearly as much back then. I understand the blocking game and the extreme importance of WRs being able to block, but complicated route trees is something I would need to stop and break down before being able to see exactly what OCs are trying to accomplish. I used to do that kind of thing, but today I mainly watch for enjoyment, and don't take the time to break down film unless something happens that catches my attention.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58911 posts
Posted on 12/24/19 at 8:54 am to
Fields made the right decision for himself, and i honestly believe that Kirby probably made the correct decision for us based upon the information he had at the time.

People who want to make a big deal out of Fields leaving base it off hindsight. had we benched Fromm and made Fields the starter and Fromm left and flourished and Fields failed, those same people would be calling for Kirby's head for letting a proven talent walk and giving the job to a kid with unproven potential.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32855 posts
Posted on 12/24/19 at 9:13 am to
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People who want to make a big deal out of Fields leaving base it off hindsight. had we benched Fromm and made Fields the starter and Fromm left and flourished and Fields failed, those same people would be calling for Kirby's head for letting a proven talent walk and giving the job to a kid with unproven potential.


You could possibly avoid all of that by all letting it play out on the field in real games. If only Kirby used that strategy.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27297 posts
Posted on 12/24/19 at 9:42 am to
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don't really understand the spread as well as I should. I mean, wide receiver skills and challenges, yes...but the nuts and bolts of spread is foreign to me, so I will bow to your knowledge. It looks complicated from a WR perspective.


I'm assuming Tyler is referring to an AR offense when says "spread".It is pretty basic.
It's the BYU offense from the 80's on steroids.Hell, Lavelle Edwards invented it so a QB could learn the play book in "2 days".

Hal Mumme juiced it along with Mike Leach and obviously exploded from there
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25876 posts
Posted on 12/24/19 at 10:09 am to
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I'm assuming Tyler is referring to an AR offense when says "spread".It is pretty basic.

Not Tyler, but I’m more referring to something like what OSU, Bama, or Clemson are running. Spread passing concepts around a power run game. Those route trees are way less complex than what UGA is running.

Asking freshman WRs to run a bunch of option routes is asking for problems. Then there’s the whole problem of running what amounts to a zone read with a QB that never keeps it.

UGA running a bunch of simple read based stuff (both zone read and rpo) with Justin Fields almost certainly been more effective than what UGA actually did, imo.
This post was edited on 12/24/19 at 10:12 am
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32855 posts
Posted on 12/24/19 at 10:48 am to
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Then there’s the whole problem of running what amounts to a zone read with a QB that never keeps it.


That alone probably nets uga an extra td per game with fields.
Posted by bunkerhill
Georgia
Member since Oct 2017
1370 posts
Posted on 12/24/19 at 11:09 am to
Well, all I have to say about Eason and Fields is - I wish they had shown all of that talent while at Georgia. Eason had some good days, Fromm had better. Fields never showed, to me anyway, that he was better than Fromm at quarterbacking the team.

Georgia had a very poor receiving corp this year. Lost too many people from last year. Cager was great, D Robinson never lived up to his hype, imo. Several of them were just bad at catching the ball. And when no one respects your passing game it does make it harder to run the ball.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32855 posts
Posted on 12/24/19 at 11:22 am to
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Fields never showed, to me anyway, that he was better than Fromm at quarterbacking the team.


That was by design. Kirby chose to make sure this was the case.
Posted by bayou prince
NC
Member since Oct 2019
1437 posts
Posted on 12/24/19 at 11:42 am to
I do know this, Fields is a really smart kid, dedicated to the Nth degree in learning a new system under Ryan Day. He didn't have to pass much in that system but when he did he was very, very effective. Like i said, their receivers are very good and polished, especially that 3 star from California. Chris Olave
Posted by 3rddownonthe8
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2011
5212 posts
Posted on 12/24/19 at 11:49 am to
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Compare Eason's freshman year to Fromm's.


I hate this statement, because you only looking at wins and stats.

You have to dig deeper...

Eason drug UGA to 8 wins on his back as a true freshman.

Fromm rode a loaded team.

It’s not even close.

2016-
Chubb and Michele rehabbing from Injuries not at 100%
3rd st QB as Punter
Hot Rod was a walk in true freshman fighting for job
An OL that was brand new
Isaiah McKenzie top receiver ( 5’8”)
Avg starting position UGA 15
CKS first year

2017-
Chubb and Michele both 100% plus Swift
Punter in top 10 and an actual punter
Rodrigo in scholly and now one of the nations best, plus Kevin Butler tutoring him
31 seniors
A OL with a year of experience together
Jacob Wims 6’4 Sr top of receiver
Avg start position UGA 40
CKS 2 Nd year plus first full recruiting year netting top 3 class.

You have to dig deeper. Jacob Eason is a better talent, he just is.


Justin Fields there is no argument, he should have been splitting time last year and getting ready to take over. And I’ve said said it since he signed early with UGA.

This will be a bump in the road for Kirby over the long haul, but I think he made a mistake riding with Fromm.


Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32855 posts
Posted on 12/24/19 at 1:33 pm to
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hate this statement, because you only looking at wins and stats.


A Fromm bot would never do that.
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
6478 posts
Posted on 12/24/19 at 2:03 pm to
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Honest questions...


1. Do you believe Jalen Hurts cost Alabama a NC?

Did you see the Alabama vs Clemson game Jalen's first year? Hurts was 13 of 31. His favorite pass was to the sidelines. The offense went 3 and out 9 times. Three other series were 5, 5, and 4 plays. The defense forced 2 turnover on Clemson's side of the field and the offense produced 3 points. The defense also held Clemson to 7 pts till midway during the 3rd quarter, till finally being on the field so long wore them out. Yes. Hurts cost Alabama that national title.

2. Do you believe if Hurts had remained Starter, he would have cost you a NC?

I assume you mean the next year, when Hurts was 3 of 18 for 21 yards and 0 pts in the first half, till Tua came in the 2nd half to win the game. Yes, if Hurts had started the 2nd half it's a real good bet that UGA would have won the game.

3. Knowing what you know now, (Tua's injury history) do you wish Hurts had remained the starter?

Since Tua won the national title vs UGA, then that's a silly question.

All that said, Jalen improved more from his freshman year to his junior year more than any qb I've ever watched closely. He's having a great year this year too, and I am glad for him.

And yes, I appreciate that Jalen substituted for an injured Tua to win the SEC title in 2018.

Jalen and Tua are both very talented, yet humble. Admirable traits that are hard to find in elite college players.
This post was edited on 12/24/19 at 2:05 pm
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32855 posts
Posted on 12/24/19 at 3:43 pm to
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Justin Fields there is no argument, he should have been splitting time last year and getting ready to take over.


But Fromm would have transferred!
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
6478 posts
Posted on 12/24/19 at 3:54 pm to
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But Fromm would have transferred!


Fromm was actually the coaches choice for preseason All SEC 2nd team qb behind Tua, but it's pretty clear now that Fields is the better qb
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32855 posts
Posted on 12/24/19 at 3:59 pm to
Preseason all blank teams are so stupid. Zero point to them.
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
6478 posts
Posted on 12/24/19 at 4:06 pm to
SEC coaches generally always have a better clue than fans. Fromm just had a very average year. Honestly, I'm not sure any qb could win it all with UGA's offense. Not sure what Kirby Smart is thinking.
Posted by Lord Orgeron
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2017
945 posts
Posted on 12/24/19 at 4:08 pm to
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At the time the decision was made it was the right decision


I mean I remember people at the time requesting that Justin fields be put in because he’s more dynamic. And he did get on the field for certain packages (red zone, IIRC?) performed well, and people questioned why wasn’t playing more. But that’s just what I remember off the top of my head.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32855 posts
Posted on 12/24/19 at 4:12 pm to
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SEC coaches generally always have a better clue than fans. Fromm just had a very average year. Honestly, I'm not sure any qb could win it all with UGA's offense. Not sure what Kirby Smart is thinking.


That’s what the sec coaches post season teams are for. Post season teams have merit. Zero point in preseason ones.

Our offense was very good in 17 and 18. We just didn’t have a qb with legs, which is so important in close games.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:52 am to
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Fields is easily one of the most gifted QB's i have ever seen, and if healthy, i think you will see that in the playoffd.


... lulz. Was just looking through my last several posts on the board. Thought this was worth bringing back to the surface.
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