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re: Is the gap in talent between UGA and Alabama getting larger than the other SEC teams

Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:37 pm to
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:37 pm to
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Definitely helps to recruit but doesnt solidify anything

It's more important than any other factor. It's not like UGA has beaten the everliving shite out of every East team since the start of 2017 because of some revolutionary strategy. UGA just has better players, and the roster is improving if recruiting rankings are even close to correct.
Posted by Boomer00
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:50 pm to
I do not understand the knee jerk reaction to UGAs recruiting bump last year? They were in the playoffs because of the previous staffs recruiting, and teams like Washington were in the playoffs with far less talent than UGA has gotten in the past 20 years. Fact is Tennessee was lighting up recruiting in butches first couple years with top 5 classes and they were horrible. There’s correlation between Top 10 classes and playoff and BCS appearances but inside the top 10 there’s not a lot of separation, it comes down to coaching and development. UGA is not scary because they brought in a top class in 2018 they are better coached, same as Alabama and that’s what got them there last year. They aren’t any different than a team like LSU who pulls top 10 classes they just have the coaching and development to make the difference. That could all change year to year and they may lose 4 games in 2019 there’s far more factors at play.
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 3:51 pm
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:59 pm to
Say what you will about Jimbo but he's done a hell of a job recruiting so far. Did well to keep a decent class together and will sign a very good class this year. They're coming

With that said, AU won't be too far behind. The talent Bama gets has been that way for years and it shows with the titles. Kirby is doing the same at UGA and I expect them to win big soon. But Auburn has had to keep up with the Jones's and have done a decent job at being able to win here and there, so that will continue even with UGA stepping up.
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 4:00 pm
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32845 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:12 pm to
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understand the knee jerk reaction to UGAs recruiting bump last year?


Uga became the 5th program to win a playoff game last year and THEN signed a crazy good class and it doesn’t look like a dropoff in the field or in recruiting, so no need for confusion.

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They were in the playoffs because of the previous staffs recruiting,


No. We started 3 freshmen on offense last year.

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Fact is Tennessee was lighting up recruiting in butches first co


I think They had one top 5 class that wasn’t close to anything smart has recruited.




Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58905 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:22 pm to
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Maybe third place . . . a lot like us. I think Bama and Ga will be clearly at the top when the dust clears.



You guys have an absolutely killer schedule, and it got tougher when A&M decided to join the party.

Georgia, MState, Auburn, Alabama and A&M.
Add to that you play at Florida, and if your defense struggles at all with Ole Miss they could put a lot of points on the board.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25589 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:23 pm to
Love us or hate us. It doesn't matter.

We are stacking talent in the trenches.

Our preseason all sec left tackle goes down on the road at BWS? And we plug in a 5 star true freshman who was a tennessee legacy. We score on the next 3 drives. And we run off the last 10 minutes of the 4th quarter.

If you can't see the difference in the trenches, then your homer-hate is showing. The trenches are where we will be able to compete week in and week out. Running the football and defense travel.
Posted by Boomer00
Member since Sep 2015
3361 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:25 pm to
My point is UGA isn’t some Dysnasty school just because they are hitting top classes. We’ve seen it done before with teams like USC, and Michigan. Your coaching is what is putting you in the playoffs all of a sudden, and it’s only happened once anyway. Sure I think UGA is a playoff contender and I’m not taking away from the program at all, I just think this is turning into one of the most exaggerated recruiting national championships I’ve ever seen
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 4:29 pm
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58905 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:27 pm to
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UGA's defense was flying to the ball because they have confidence in their scheme and the other 10 guys on the field


Confidence in the scheme plays such a crucial role. When know you are going to be in the right position if you do what you are told it make s huge difference.
Posted by mbogo
Member since Oct 2012
2543 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:29 pm to
AU made a big mistake in not hiring Kirby. Wasn't it a case of not allowing him hire the staff he wanted or something like that?
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25875 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:31 pm to
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My point is UGA isn’t some Dysnasty school just because they are hitting top classes.

No one's saying that.
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We’ve seen it done before with teams like USC, and Michigan. Your coaching is what is putting you in the playoffs all of a sudden, and it’s only happened once anyway. Sure I think UGA is a playoff contender and I’m not taking away from the program at all, I just think this is turning into one of the most exaggerated recruiting national championships I’ve ever seen.

Having more talented players is always an advantage.

A good argument could be made that UGA's big improvement from 2016 to 2017 was significantly aided by the least productive recruiting class in modern UGA history (2013) being replaced on the back end by a far more talented one (2017).
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58905 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:31 pm to
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My point is UGA isn’t some Dysnasty school just because they are hitting top classes. We’ve seen it done before with teams like USC, and Michigan. Your coaching is what is putting you in the playoffs all of a sudden, and it’s only happened once anyway. Sure I think UGA is a playoff contender and I’m not taking away from the program at all, I just think this is turning into one of the most exaggerated recruiting national championships I’ve ever seen




If it were one year, you might have a point. But we have had the #3, #1 and are currently at #1 this year. You add talent with coaching and things happen. And with Kirby being from UGA, he likely isn't going anywhere.

The big question is how he will handle losing other coaches, and handling entitled kids.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42559 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:33 pm to
Yeah. People don't realize how deep GA is. And with AU basically a burb of south ATL, you can probably argue AU hasn't done enough. UGA could hand pick 20 guys, and there is still elite talent left in the state.
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
11661 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:42 pm to
You can win in the SEC if your 1st 55 players are really good. Having even more good players in that last 30 even better.

20% of the 25 you sign each year will never play a meaningful down for your team.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58905 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:45 pm to
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UGA could hand pick 20 guys, and there is still elite talent left in the state.

Does this mean we get Owen Pappoe after all?
Posted by Mizz-SEC
Inbred Huntin' In The SEC
Member since Jun 2013
19236 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:46 pm to
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You guys have never had a real shot at winning this conference. Your 2013 team was a really good team, but you were fighting tooth and nail with everything in you to stay in that championship game and still couldn't do it.


The 2013 team could have won the conference.

The DC (with Pinkel's blessing I assume) changed the entire defense scheme for Auburn and imploded.

It would have been interesting to see what would have happened had played it straight.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27297 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:47 pm to
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I do not understand the knee jerk reaction to UGAs recruiting bump last year?


If not for Kirby signing Fromm @ QB and Thomas,Kindley
and Cleveland on OL we don't get to the NC. (Cleveland did commit to the previous staff but we didn't lose em)

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Washington were in the playoffs with far less talent than UGA has gotten in the past 20 years.


And Washington got waxed.Do you have any idea how bad our recruiting was between '10 and '13? We had exactly 13 players drafted from those 4 classes which put us tied with Missouri and behind Arkansas.
Bama,LSU,UF,AU,OM,ArKY all had more players selected.

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the top 10 there’s not a lot of separation,


Sorry this roster is light years ahead of the '14'15 and '16 roster...none of which had a top 5 class.

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They aren’t any different than a team like LSU who pulls top 10 classes they just have the coaching and development to make the difference.


Disagree completely but we'll find out soon enough.

Posted by JCdawg
Member since Sep 2014
7794 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:56 pm to
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I don't think many of them had a great grasp on how talented Georgia is. They had high hopes largely based on the idea that UGA was probably similar to the late-stage Richt teams athletically. Their beat writers played that up a good bit.



This, I hate to beat a dead horse here, but Richt shite the bed so many times over there with more talented teams, especially in 2012. The 35-7 fiasco was beyond inexcusable with the team Georgia had. Times have changed though, the ship is being righted, and we have more than enough instate talent to become dominant for decades.

Also, if I were a South Carolina fan, I would have been a little aggravated with Spurrier. He had no excuse not to win the east at least one of those years.(2011-13) He always prepared for Georgia like it was his personal super bowl, then shite the bed against Auburn, Tennessee, and Florida to lose the east.
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 5:10 pm
Posted by JCdawg
Member since Sep 2014
7794 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 5:04 pm to
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And Washington got waxed.


Not to mention, when you look at the average recruiting classes in the Pac12, whoever comes out of there has a far easier schedule. How many times has the Pac even made the playoff, once?

There is enough talent in Atlanta to continually supply Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, and Clemson.
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 5:14 pm to
Kinda crazy when you look at the PAC.

All that Talent in Cali, it’s like they only go to USC

Who has been shitting the bed since Carroll left (besides that one year they were damn good but couldn’t go to the post season)
Posted by playmakers in space
Member since Sep 2018
1256 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 5:31 pm to
What the frick are you talking about? No one once claimed UGA is a dynasty.

Move the goalposts some more, you salty bitch.
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