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Posted on 9/11/18 at 8:56 am to TigerCruise
You guys have never had a real shot at winning this conference. Your 2013 team was a really good team, but you were fighting tooth and nail with everything in you to stay in that championship game and still couldn't do it.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 8:58 am to jumpstart
Big 2
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:00 am to BHMKyle
SEC Regular Season Record Since 2016:
.938- Alabama (15-1)
.750- Auburn (12-4)
.706- Georgia (12-5)
.688- LSU (11-5)
.529- Kentucky (9-8) (!)
.529- Florida (9-8)
.500- Texas A&M (8-8)
.471- S. Carolina (8-9)
.438- Mississippi St. (7-9)
.375- Missouri (6-10)
.313- Ole Miss (5-11)
.250- Vanderbilt (4-12)
.250- Arkansas (4-12)
.250- Tennessee (4-12)
Again, I see no concrete basis for us to claim that Georgia is at this point closer to Bama than we are to Auburn and LSU. Yes, I know we beat Auburn in the SEC CG, so yes that certainly probably moves us ahead.... but the results over the past 1-2 seasons are so similar, I don't think anyone can claim that Georgia at this point is even with Bama and creating a "gap" between teams that have the same record as us.
.938- Alabama (15-1)
.750- Auburn (12-4)
.706- Georgia (12-5)
.688- LSU (11-5)
.529- Kentucky (9-8) (!)
.529- Florida (9-8)
.500- Texas A&M (8-8)
.471- S. Carolina (8-9)
.438- Mississippi St. (7-9)
.375- Missouri (6-10)
.313- Ole Miss (5-11)
.250- Vanderbilt (4-12)
.250- Arkansas (4-12)
.250- Tennessee (4-12)
Again, I see no concrete basis for us to claim that Georgia is at this point closer to Bama than we are to Auburn and LSU. Yes, I know we beat Auburn in the SEC CG, so yes that certainly probably moves us ahead.... but the results over the past 1-2 seasons are so similar, I don't think anyone can claim that Georgia at this point is even with Bama and creating a "gap" between teams that have the same record as us.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:02 am to jumpstart
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LSU
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with an outside chance.
Haha!! You must be watching a different LSU team than me
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:20 am to jumpstart
Schollie reductions were put in place for this exact reason. There are teams that have starters that are somewhat close to the talent level of Bama. It's the depth where teams like Bama and where UGa is trying to get to that puts them over the top.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:38 am to TigerCruise
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sustained superior performance like UGA
They are one season and two games away from 8-5.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:41 am to jumpstart
Talent gap for players? No. Coaching ability.... YES.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:42 am to jumpstart
What about the UCF Nights? Don't they still get a vote? They have been looking pretty good of late.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 10:00 am to Bleudawg
Every now and then the number one recruit will sign with a team like South Carolina (see clowney).
Posted on 9/11/18 at 12:20 pm to ClaimToFame
I think what hurt us was SC talent hasn't been as great as it used to.
Sure you can say "COACH EM UP"
But if you look at some of the significant players on those teams when we were winning 11 games were Alshon, Gilmore, Devonte Holloman,Brandon Snell, Lattimore and Clowney were all very highly touted 5 star or High 4 star players from the state.
WE don't have the same kinda talent like we did then.
Sure you can say "COACH EM UP"
But if you look at some of the significant players on those teams when we were winning 11 games were Alshon, Gilmore, Devonte Holloman,Brandon Snell, Lattimore and Clowney were all very highly touted 5 star or High 4 star players from the state.
WE don't have the same kinda talent like we did then.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 12:58 pm to BHMKyle
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.438- Mississippi St. (7-9)
But THIS is their year. (Yawn)
Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:04 pm to BHMKyle
SEC Regular Season Record Since 2016:
.938- Alabama (15-1)
.750- Auburn (12-4)
.706- Georgia (12-5)
.688- LSU (11-5)
.529- Kentucky (9-8) (!)
.529- Florida (9-8)
BIG 6!
.938- Alabama (15-1)
.750- Auburn (12-4)
.706- Georgia (12-5)
.688- LSU (11-5)
.529- Kentucky (9-8) (!)
.529- Florida (9-8)
BIG 6!
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:40 pm to BHMKyle
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I don't think anyone can claim that Georgia at this point is even with Bama and creating a "gap" between teams that have the same record as us.
It’s fhe anti homer. Do it since 2017.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:48 pm to BHMKyle
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SEC Regular Season Record Since 2016:
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I see no concrete basis for us to claim that Georgia is at this point closer to Bama than we are to Auburn and LSU
really? You don't see why? You're one of the better ones here and always bring facts but dude it's clear as day why.
For starters you include 2016 during Kirby's first season as a head coach which was terrible. Our situation at this moment and our future trajectory has zero to do with our 2016 record.
We are recruiting as well as anyone in America. 3rd ranked class 2 classes ago, an all-timer of a class last year, and currently with #1 right now. Granted bama is right there as well and will probably finish 1 again this year, but the gap between our top 85 and theirs is slimming every year compared to the gap that's widening every year between us and aub/lsu.
And on top of all that, AU has malzahn that has stagnated the program and hasn't really done anythign worthwhile after 2013, and LSU has a joke of a head coach that is never even going to win the west.
Nobody with a rational brain thinks we are currently "even" with bama or on the same plane with them as an overall program, but you're blind as a bat if you don't see us chipping away at the monumental gap they've created. All the while leaving other competitiors in the dust.
And going back to your original 2016 starting time frame...if you want to talk about "gaps" being closed or widened or whatever...you would need to ALSO show the records from 2013-2015 and how they compare to 2016-2018 to give a comparison.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:55 pm to WG_Dawg
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For starters you include 2016 during Kirby's first season as a head coach which was terrible
So remove out all the bad to skew the stats?
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We are recruiting as well as anyone in America. 3rd ranked class 2 classes ago, an all-timer of a class last year, and currently with #1 right now.
Definitely helps to recruit but doesnt solidify anything
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AU has malzahn that has stagnated the program and hasn't really done anythign worthwhile after 2013
Lets remove the bad years from Malzahn for comparison sake
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Nobody with a rational brain thinks we are currently "even" with bama or on the same plane with them as an overall program
Many from your fanbase see it differently
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And going back to your original 2016 starting time frame...if you want to talk about "gaps" being closed or widened or whatever...you would need to ALSO show the records from 2013-2015 and how they compare to 2016-2018 to give a comparison.
UGA's regular season record for the two years prior to Kirby was 11-5 and the two years after 11-5
Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:05 pm to NYCAuburn
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remove out all the bad to skew the stats
What happened in 2016 has no relevance to the state of programs and talent levels.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:05 pm to NYCAuburn
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So remove out all the bad to skew the stats?
no not at all. I'm saying the 2016 season isn't relevant to the topic at hand, being the "gap" between uga and bama (one direction) and aub/lsu (other direction). Especially if you aren't going to include the preceding years as reference.
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Definitely helps to recruit but doesnt solidify anything
certainly. But we've already seen in 1.5 years what our increased recruiting can do. Couple that with the fact we're lapping our opponents.
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Lets remove the bad years from Malzahn for comparison sake
Well the guy I responded to only included 2.2 seasons worth of data, presumably because tha'ts how long kirby has been here. Gus has been here just over 5 years so we have a lot more knowledge and data on him.
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Many from your fanbase see it differently
Teh title game showed that we are getting CLOSER to them, but nobody is bama. Unless you have ~8 straight #1 recruiting classes and the best coach that's ever lived you simply won't be the same as them. That doesn't mean you can't start getting pretty darn close to them.
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GA's regular season record for the two years prior to Kirby was 11-5 and the two years after 11-5
with monumental differences to anyone paying attention. We went 8-5/10-3/10-3 the 3 years prior to kirby. Zero division titles. Average recruitign. But even the records are misleading. In 2015 we didn't score a TD against missouri and needed overtime to beat georgia southern. I'm sorry but 10 wins is irrelevant when you are THAT bad. Compare that to kirby's current path. Defending SEC champions and shoo-ins to play for it again this year. Averaging a national #2 class the last 2 full cycles wiht a chance for #1 again. Ridiculous talent and depth on the line that we've never had before. 5* at every skill position.
Again, I'm not saying "we're bama". But any SEC football fan that has actually sat down and flipped on the TV while watching UGA over the last 5 years is kidding themselves if they don't see us closing the gap with bama, and widening it with everyone else.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:06 pm to djsdawg
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What happened in 2016 has no relevance to the state of programs and talent levels.
that was basically my point. What kirby did in his first year ever as a head coach in his first year at the program wiht a first year collection of staff with the previous coaches roster...has no bearing whatsoever on 2018 and beyond.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:25 pm to WG_Dawg
I think it is pretty clear that the only other team in the league that has a roster 1-85 that looks like ours is Georgia (and it will only continue to get closer the next year or two).
With that said, there are other programs that have starting lineups and coaching staffs who (as long as they don't lose starters) can match up with either of us and if things go right win games. Auburn has clearly shown that and A&M will join that next tier soon as well.
With that said, there are other programs that have starting lineups and coaching staffs who (as long as they don't lose starters) can match up with either of us and if things go right win games. Auburn has clearly shown that and A&M will join that next tier soon as well.
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 3:28 pm
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