If the Big 10 added FSU, Clemson, North Carolina and Notre Dame/Miami

It's dog eat dog. If the SEC isn't committed to capturing the remaining significant programs on the board that aren't already in the SEC or Big Ten then they're fricking up.

They go from having 1 championship in the last 20 years to having 4. Big deal

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why?

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Because the SEC needs a better middle. They need fan interest in non top matchups. And the next round of expansion is coming at us now. Clemson Vs LSU will put money TV money in the pot then LSU vs TCU. UNC vs Tennessee is more fungible than Tennessee vs Ok St.

So you take the best of the ACC to avoid the leaving of the Big 12.

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Because the SEC needs a better middle.

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Why?

To say we're better than the big 10? As long as we continue to have the best top half which really isn't even close to a debate who cares if our bottom half isn't as good as someone else's.

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you say this as if it's a conference dog competing with another conference dog, while not realizing that the cannibalizing of dogs eating each other would be taking place within our own conference. If the SEC, as a hypothetical example, had 24 teams and it was the top 24 teams in CFB history, on paper that would seem to really make a lot of people happy because "we're bette rthan the big 10 lol!!!!" when in reality all it would do it make things harder than a motherfricker for everyone actuall in the sec. You could have a team that's legitimately a top 5 or 6 team in America that won't sniff the playoff becuas ethey have 4-5 losses.

At what point is the conference big enough? 12 was fine. 16 is way, WAY more than fine. We don't need fricking 20.

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This isn't about liking giant-sized conferences. But you're being a bit too focused on "big conference bad; old small conferences good". This is a zero-sum game. Your line of thinking is exactly what caused the PAC-12 to fail.

If the SEC sits by and lets the B1G gobble up FSU and Clemson, not only have they nabbed the last two blue-ish bloods for free (aside from Notre Dame, but that's another topic), they've also gotten excellent footholds in SEC territory.

This is about match-ups and brands now. So we agree there. But why would the SEC sit back and let the B1G have 20 to its 16? That gives them two more match-ups every single week, and we're adding another week to the college football schedule next year. If the brands are valuable enough (hint: Florida State is), they will get the schools in the conference more dollars per team in the long run.

The SEC's present, short-term mistake is that they saddled up ENTIRELY with ESPN who now has us by the balls a bit in terms of whether they want to pay more money to add more schools. But I don't think it makes sense to be shortsighted there. The ACC's shortsightedness led them to this reckoning.

The death of the ACC will be the end of major realignment talk for this generation, you can bet on that. But I simply don't understand the line of thinking that 16 is already too many schools, so we should just gift the B1G two elite football schools in the heart of the south. It's been expand or die for decades, and the SEC has always been at forefront.

The SEC teams will already receive 100 million per team from the TV deal. The only teams of value that wouldn't dilute the payout would be the Virginia and North Carolina schools.

Clemson, FSU, and Miami have no shot at the SEC. It's not a charity conference. If it doesn't make dollars then it doesn't make sense.

FSU is a big brand but it doesn’t bring any extra fans to the SEC in general like the previous expansions did, nor will it elevate FSU.
As much as I don’t like OU or UT, the SEC is making the right moves and I’m looking forward to some great games and hugely increased SEC coverage in Texas.

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I guarantee you that there would be higher tv ratings for Clemson, FSU, & Miami games than for Virginia & North Carolina games. This isn't 2012 when tv markets was the biggest factor. Now it's about what teams improve your overall tv package which is based on the value of the games being offered.

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I don’t understand why this has to be explained to people repetitively on here. Cable carriage is not the primary concern with expansion anymore.

Not IF…it’s when. FSU will be out of the ACC by August 2025.

3-5 other schools will join FSU to the Big10.

And yes, the new Big10 will be the only true National conference and blow by the SEC in terms of dollars.

If sec teams want to play these games then schedule them as OOC games. No sense in putting more teams on the payroll.