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re: If Nick Saban would have coached at UGA
Posted on 4/14/21 at 11:51 am to dirtsandwich
Posted on 4/14/21 at 11:51 am to dirtsandwich
After giving it some thought, it's interesting. Plus with the wonky way Notre Dame gets out of the conference gauntlets, you know Saban would use his imagination and find ways to take advantage. He's brilliant at that and while he gets recognition and notoriety for it, he does not get near enough credit for it.
But, the problem with Notre Dame is its own academic requirements. It would keep a lot of athletes out that Saban could recruit. Would ND be willing to relax those requirements should they get a taste of winning in this era of the game? Perhaps but I kind of doubt it. They're not some high-moral place like everyone thinks but they are extremely guarded about their perceived high status.
Contrast that with the insane talent in the state of Georgia and UGA's own academic requirements (or lack thereof). I'm not saying Georgia academically is worse off than most SEC schools but it's more difficult to keep a recruited kid out of Georgia than it is to keep a recruited kid at Notre Dame.
But, the problem with Notre Dame is its own academic requirements. It would keep a lot of athletes out that Saban could recruit. Would ND be willing to relax those requirements should they get a taste of winning in this era of the game? Perhaps but I kind of doubt it. They're not some high-moral place like everyone thinks but they are extremely guarded about their perceived high status.
Contrast that with the insane talent in the state of Georgia and UGA's own academic requirements (or lack thereof). I'm not saying Georgia academically is worse off than most SEC schools but it's more difficult to keep a recruited kid out of Georgia than it is to keep a recruited kid at Notre Dame.
This post was edited on 4/14/21 at 11:59 am
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Posted on 4/14/21 at 11:56 am to Nitro Express
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The only program Saban would have won six titles is Alabama. The right coach, the right program, at the right time. He would have won some at others, but not six.
Subjective opinion is completely subjective. No facts, data, or legitimate information can back up your claim that Saban would only have massive success at Alabama. He brought LSU their first title in 50 years and the players he recruited won another without him in 2007. He’s won big everywhere he’s been and given the fact that the East since 2007 minus Florida in 2008 and 09 has been a joke, he would’ve faced an even easier road to championships at UGA in that time.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:01 pm to Rogelio
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Thoughts
This board and its alters, like yourself, continue to be obsessed with uga for some reason.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:02 pm to FireDanMullen
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No facts, data, or legitimate information can back up your claim that Saban would only have massive success at Alabama
The data is what coach Saban's record looked like BEFORE he got to BAMA. That's about as objective as the truth can get.
Toledo, Michigan State, and LSU in the college game. Coach Saban was in his mid-50s by the time we got him so there is a very valid track record. Forget titles, I'll be happy just to compare wins, year by year. That should make it even easier if you have a point.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:05 pm to Rogelio
WTF is today Bama troll Georgia day? Bama is so terrible at this.
cringe
extra cringey
You guys crack me up.
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However, we have something more special at UA -- the realistic desire and expectations to win that are unmatched at any program in the country. It is truly a birthright among Alabama fans.
cringe
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our natural winning attitudes
extra cringey
You guys crack me up.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:20 pm to Rogelio
Saban would have multiple titles at any of the Big 6 plus A&M
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:23 pm to AllbyMyRelf
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Yes, Saban and Alabama are good at football. Congratulations.
No need to be angry, baw.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:24 pm to bamameister
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Toledo, Michigan State, and LSU in the college game. Coach Saban was in his mid-50s by the time we got him so there is a very valid track record. Forget titles, I'll be happy just to compare wins, year by year. That should make it even easier if you have a point.
Nick Saban is hired by LSU with a career 43-26 record as a head coach, it's seen as kind of a questionable move at the time since he's never coached in the SEC.
He convinces the LSU administration to commit more to football, makes plenty of SEC recruiting connections and wins a national title which puts him in elite company among college coaches.
He goes 48-16 in five seasons at LSU.
Fast forward to Alabama, he already knows how to recruit the SEC territory, he has been an NFL head coach which is an advantage in recruiting, best of all, he's now a proven winner and has a national title ring on his hand.
He goes 55-12 his first five seasons at Alabama.
*I added up the records on the fly so someone could double check that, I may be a little off.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:24 pm to Rogelio
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However, we have something more special at UA -- the realistic desire and expectations to win that are unmatched at any program in the country. It is truly a birthright among Alabama fans.
Oh frick off you arrogant prick.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:24 pm to armtackledawg
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Saban would have multiple titles at any of the Big 6 plus A&M
Would that be anything like 6 NCs?
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:26 pm to SidewalkTiger
Anyways, (good stuff btw) I think Saban would have cleaned up at Georgia. Easily.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:28 pm to paperwasp
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A team like Notre Dame is going to get propped up enough that there would simply be more opportunities to win titles, IMO
Saban is really good at winning national titles without winning a conference or division. He would’ve fit in perfect at ND.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:33 pm to Rogelio
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For some reason Georgia has as good of or a better natural recruiting geography as/than Alabama. However, we have something more special at UA -- the realistic desire and expectations to win that are unmatched at any program in the country. It is truly a birthright among Alabama fans.
Alabama football was middle of the pack from Stallings, until Saban, with several losing seasons sprinkled in. Where was the "desire and expectation to win", then? I guess that only came with the birthright of the 2008+ bandwaggon fanbase.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:36 pm to SidewalkTiger
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He goes 48-16 in five seasons at LSU.
Important to remember he also inherited top ten recruiting classes so it wasn't a total rebuild (though certainly in need of a lot of help).
I would argue that when Bama hired him he wasn't the sure thing we'd like to think he was in hindsight. Sure, he won a national title at LSU in '03 but '04 wasn't exactly a convincing encore and his tenure with the Dolphins wasn't very convincing either. Nick certainly had a better resume then than he did when LSU hired him but I don't think many people were seriously predicting he was going to be a sure thing lock GOAT coach.
I think Nick came to Bama hungry to pick up where he left off, learn from what didn't work and be that much better going forward. Clearly he did. That coupled with the inherent advantages Bama has (how or why that is doesn't really matter) at landing top talent and you get the dynasty he has built.
Whether he would have won as many titles had he never left LSU is impossible to know. Likewise, we'll never know what Spurrier might have done had he not bolted for the NFL. I think we can be certain Spurrier would've won quite a few more games had he made his college comeback at Alabama instead of South Carolina.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:37 pm to TigerScorpion
You know as well as I do that we could have been a lot worse during those years. Lots worse.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:40 pm to bamameister
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The data is what coach Saban's record looked like BEFORE he got to BAMA. That's about as objective as the truth can get.
Not really, when he left LSU the program was trending to make a historic run. This is evident by Less Miles' initial success and championship despite being Les Miles.
Had he remained at LSU or been hired at another football school with similar resources and support, the results would be same.
He's likely the greatest to ever coach the game.
Saban's results would have been Sabanesque at just about any major football program that hired him.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:41 pm to Nitro Express
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The only program Saban would have won six titles is Alabama. The right coach, the right program, at the right time. He would have won some at others, but not six.
Disagree. I think Saban could have won five more if he stayed at LSU.
Hell, we won two more with Les Miles and Ed Orgeron.
ETA: And we could have had another in 2011 if it wasn't for that no good, meddling Nick Saban.
This post was edited on 4/14/21 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:43 pm to FireDanMullen
Do you have a point? Or is your completely subjective point Saban would have had as many or more championships at UGA? Want to talk about no facts or data to back up opinion? Lol.
BAMA has done something very similar to what Saban has done at Alabama before. Plus, BAMA has won several National Championships with other coaches besides Bear and Saban. Your opinion is the one void of facts, data, or legitimate information.
BAMA has done something very similar to what Saban has done at Alabama before. Plus, BAMA has won several National Championships with other coaches besides Bear and Saban. Your opinion is the one void of facts, data, or legitimate information.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:44 pm to Rogelio
Would saban overcome the curse? Saban directly cost uga up to 3 national titles in time frame, so odds increase without him in the way.
This post was edited on 4/14/21 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:47 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Even more than Alabama? Not likely.
1000 x more than Alabama. There isn't a bigger media darling out there, nor has there been over the course of CFB in the modern age.
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