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I keep seeing the argument for "the 4 best teams should be in the playoff"
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:05 pm
It's stupid.
1)We have no idea who the 4 best teams are. The "eye test" is bullshite. That's been proven time and time again.
2) If we just put the 4 best teams in, what's the point in playing games? If you're the best team and you choke, who cares? You're still as good as you were the day before so why leave them out now?
You put the most deserving teams in not the best teams in. You get judged by who you beat, who you lost too and a conference championship should matter as that's the least subjective way to determine a champion. The committee has done a very good job of this so far for anybody actually paying attention and not just looking at how much the team moved from last week.
Obviously who's the most deserving is still up for debate but quit with the "best 4 teams should get in" argument.
1)We have no idea who the 4 best teams are. The "eye test" is bullshite. That's been proven time and time again.
2) If we just put the 4 best teams in, what's the point in playing games? If you're the best team and you choke, who cares? You're still as good as you were the day before so why leave them out now?
You put the most deserving teams in not the best teams in. You get judged by who you beat, who you lost too and a conference championship should matter as that's the least subjective way to determine a champion. The committee has done a very good job of this so far for anybody actually paying attention and not just looking at how much the team moved from last week.
Obviously who's the most deserving is still up for debate but quit with the "best 4 teams should get in" argument.
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Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:11 pm to Weagle25
I think that's the thing fans and voters need to decide. Should the best teams be selected or should the best record be selected. I think that's why March madness is so fun. It doesn't matter how good you are, lose and you're out.
I'd like to see the conference championship game be like the first round of a playoff. Take all 5 P5 champions + an at-large.
Or expand the conferences to 4 super conferences and the 4 champions get into the playoffs.
I'd like to see the conference championship game be like the first round of a playoff. Take all 5 P5 champions + an at-large.
Or expand the conferences to 4 super conferences and the 4 champions get into the playoffs.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:13 pm to Weagle25
16 team playoff. Top 2 teams from each P5 conference, regardless of division, are auto bids.
Might as well do away with conference championship games too, meaningless when 1/2 the time the two best teams are in the same division anyway.
Alternatively, you could go to 12 and give the 4 conference champs a bye. Then throw
to the Big 12.
Might as well do away with conference championship games too, meaningless when 1/2 the time the two best teams are in the same division anyway.
Alternatively, you could go to 12 and give the 4 conference champs a bye. Then throw
to the Big 12. This post was edited on 12/1/16 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:17 pm to Weagle25
It's much easier to determine who won the game even if they played over their talent level. It's why a TEAM is greater than the sum of it's parts.
So I'd go along with most deserving except that is about as debatable with as many teams and P5 conferences deciding their championship in different ways.
But....have an upvote.
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I do not want to expand the playoffs.
I like the argument the BCS was created to match the best TWO teams.....The 4 team playoff should just make sure the best TWO teams get in so add 2 more that have an argument they are a top 2 team. 5th place hopefully is not arguably one of the top TWO teams. Then play ball.
So I'd go along with most deserving except that is about as debatable with as many teams and P5 conferences deciding their championship in different ways.
But....have an upvote.
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I do not want to expand the playoffs.
I like the argument the BCS was created to match the best TWO teams.....The 4 team playoff should just make sure the best TWO teams get in so add 2 more that have an argument they are a top 2 team. 5th place hopefully is not arguably one of the top TWO teams. Then play ball.
This post was edited on 12/1/16 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:18 pm to Master of Sinanju
This is why I'm a fan of expanding it. Nobody gives a shite who the best team is in September, we want to know who the best team is at the end of the season. I don't care that OSU lost early, they are a top 4 team and I want to see them duke it out for the title.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:18 pm to Weagle25
The playoffs are stupid
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:20 pm to Master of Sinanju
quote:If PSU can't get in, then yes.
You'd leave Ohio St out?
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:22 pm to Weagle25
I just remember how the Big10 lost it when Alabama and LSU played each other.
All that talk about how you had to win your conference.
Now, all of a sudden it seems that argument has disappeared.
Michigan lost the last game of the season and still are in the top 5 and in the discussion?
Has that ever happened before?
And it is always going to be hard to eyeball the best teams, in my view. Hell, do we think the committee watches all the games?
With 5 power conferences and a four spots, it just seems to me that you would have to be conference champ to be in it, unless every other team had more than two losses.
All that talk about how you had to win your conference.
Now, all of a sudden it seems that argument has disappeared.
Michigan lost the last game of the season and still are in the top 5 and in the discussion?
Has that ever happened before?
And it is always going to be hard to eyeball the best teams, in my view. Hell, do we think the committee watches all the games?
With 5 power conferences and a four spots, it just seems to me that you would have to be conference champ to be in it, unless every other team had more than two losses.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:22 pm to Weagle25
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You put the most deserving teams in not the best teams in.
Well the problem with that is people are going to say the best 4 teams are the most deserving
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:25 pm to Master of Sinanju
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You'd leave Ohio St out?
I would.
Just because, you know
frick Ohio St and Meyer.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:27 pm to higgs_boson
If you only take conference champions then the teams know what's at stake. Didn't win your division? Then you've got no room to gripe. It doesn't matter how good you are.
Win and get in. That's what fans want to see.
Win and get in. That's what fans want to see.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:28 pm to skirpnasty
16 is just too many teams. I don't have an issue with 8 or 6 with the top two getting a bye. It's already tough for fans with good salaries to make an SEC championship game and two playoff games.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:28 pm to dbeck
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I'd like to see the conference championship game be like the first round of a playoff. Take all 5 P5 champions + an at-large.
This.
Conference Championship games are the first round of the playoffs. Plus....... it brings great intrigue in the event of a monumental upset like Florida over Bama. Who does the committee take? Bama or Ohio State as the at-large?
Conference Champions should always trump every thing else. It will be a major travesty if Penn State wins this weekend and they don't make it to the Playoffs and Ohio State does.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:30 pm to Weagle25
I said when this thing started they should've just kept the BCS and taken the top four from it.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:30 pm to Weagle25
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You put the most deserving teams in not the best teams in.
How is Ohio State not one of the four most deserving teams? They've beaten three teams ranked in the top 10, one of them by 21 points on the road. They have one of the strongest resumes I've seen since 2011 LSU.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:31 pm to rockiee
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Well the problem with that is people are going to say the best 4 teams are the most deserving
You have to define "deserving". If Western Kentucky goes undefeated that doesn't mean they deserve to be in over a 1 loss SEC team. "Deserving" is determined by quality wins among other factors, which is the same way we end up deriving our "best" teams for the current CFP rankings.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:32 pm to Tammany Tom
I simply can't agree that conference championships should trump everything else. Not with the disparity between conferences and even divisions within conferences. It's not close to equitable. No way in hell should Wisconsin have a better shot at the playoff than Ohio State, for instance.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:33 pm to TideJoe
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16 is just too many teams. I don't have an issue with 8 or 6 with the top two getting a bye. It's already tough for fans with good salaries to make an SEC championship game and two playoff games.
So have the first rounds on campus, seems like an easy enough solution.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 4:36 pm to skirpnasty
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"Deserving" is determined by quality wins among other factors, which is the same way we end up deriving our "best" teams for the current CFP rankings.
Exactly and then to a certain extent it becomes subjective again. I get the argument for Power five conference winners to be put into the playoff but we need to get 8 for that to work imo. I think there needs to be 3 "at large" after the other 5 teams are slotted into the playoff.
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