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Posted on 11/11/12 at 6:40 pm to diddydirtyAubie
Next year. I truly believe the coaches will have it figured out by next year. The level of great coaches and coordinators in this league will not allow it again. The players adjust in time, but the 1st quarter is killing people. I mean Bama outscored (& greatly outgained them in yards) after the first.
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Posted on 11/11/12 at 6:40 pm to Indfanfromcol
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It's also a year of game footage for all teams to look at.
Saban had 9 weeks of film and still couldn't get it done. His defense in the first quarter was pure crap.
Posted on 11/11/12 at 6:43 pm to relapse98
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Saban had 9 weeks of film and still couldn't get it done. His defense in the first quarter was pure crap.
I think I'll take a coach's ability with 3 national championships over your opinion any day. Get serious and stop trolling.
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Posted on 11/11/12 at 7:11 pm to relapse98
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Saban had 9 weeks of film and still couldn't get it done. His defense in the first quarter was pure crap.
Have you watched your defense play? In the Bama and LSU games WR were running wide open all game!
Posted on 11/11/12 at 7:16 pm to Bham4Tide
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I think I'll take a coach's ability with 3 national championships over your opinion any day. Get serious and stop trolling.
Do you have trouble reading?
Nick Saban had 9 weeks of film.
His defense in the 1st quarter was pure crap.
I don't see how there is any way to argue that? You had 20 points put on you in the first quarter, at home. Go ahead and argue that it wasn't crap.
Posted on 11/11/12 at 7:17 pm to civiltiger07
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Have you watched your defense play?
Does our defense not being top 3 in the country somehow negate the fact that Alabama allowed 20 points, at home, in the first quarter? I really don't see how this is up for argument.
Posted on 11/11/12 at 7:19 pm to RMFTBama
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No. LSU and Alabama are both better teams than Texas A&M
I don't think that Bama is better than us. Looks like we got us a disagreement. Now if only there was a way to settle this...
Posted on 11/11/12 at 7:20 pm to relapse98
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I'm as big a JFF fan as there exists. BUT... his style is perfectly suited for college and horrible for pro. Good college player does not always translate to good pro player. When he does go pro, he's probably going to be a late round to undrafted free agent project kinda guy.
It doesn't matter what round you think he will go in.
I just saying you aTm guys are saying we have to deal with JFF for 3 more years. I'm just saying not so fast!
Last I checked RGIII has been doing ok this year. Also Tebow was drafted in the first round and he can't throw!
Posted on 11/11/12 at 7:21 pm to diddydirtyAubie
quote:Ask LSU and UF.
How long do you think it will take SEC coaches to figure out how to stop A&M?
Posted on 11/11/12 at 7:24 pm to civiltiger07
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It doesn't matter what round you think he will go in.
I just saying you aTm guys are saying we have to deal with JFF for 3 more years. I'm just saying not so fast!
It does matter what round he'll go in. Why would he leave early if he's not going to get drafted or get drafted in a late round. Don't the new NFL draft picks get much less (like 2/3 less) money than when Tebow was drafted? I just don't see him leaving if he's not going to get a big check.
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Last I checked RGIII has been doing ok this year. Also Tebow was drafted in the first round and he can't throw!
RG3 is doing great.
Tebow is proving my point. Awesome college QB.. not really a fit for NFL. GMs see that and how Tebow has done (not done?) in the NFL and may judge JFF on that.
Funny that I'm arguing against my own player, but he's just not a NFL type QB and that will cause him to stay.
Posted on 11/11/12 at 7:26 pm to RattletrapDawg
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Next year. I truly believe the coaches will have it figured out by next year. The level of great coaches and coordinators in this league will not allow it again. The players adjust in time, but the 1st quarter is killing people. I mean Bama outscored (& greatly outgained them in yards) after the first
Maybe there's nothing to "figure out". Maybe it's simply a great scheme being executed by a level of talent never before seen in said system.
Typically, the Air Raid is run by lesser teams to even the playing field. A&M is the first team with elite, top-10 skill position and offensive line talent to try it. Perhaps it simply isn't going to be "figured out" at the level we run it.
You say that in time teams will adjust, but even if they do you are discouting Manziel's development. The dude in going to be unstoppable in 2-3 years when he has all the reads down.
Posted on 11/11/12 at 7:27 pm to relapse98
Patterson will get it figured out once he comes on board in Fayetteville
Posted on 11/11/12 at 7:28 pm to relapse98
I said it doesn't matter what round YOU think he will go in. I agree if he isn't projected to get drafted in the first round he wouldn't go, but if he plays next year like this year I'm not sure he wouldn't get a first round projection.
You are arguing against your own player because you don't want him to go early.
You are arguing against your own player because you don't want him to go early.
Posted on 11/11/12 at 7:29 pm to relapse98
Its not the A&M offense you have to figure out. Its the fact that manziel leaves the pocket and creates plays and extends them longer than any player I can remember. Its unconventional and just difficult to stop.
Furthermore this isnt a typical dink and dunk, UH, Texas Tech, West virgina ball control spread offense. A&M has big NFL style offensive lineman who can put a hat on Dlineman and pound the ball between the tackles. I cant recall a spread team that can truly play a tackle to tackle ground and pound type offense sprinkled in with an intermediate passing game.
.....with one of the few exceptions being the OU offenses of 99 - 01 when Leach was the Offensive coordinator. Im sure there are a few other examples Im missing but thats a pretty comparable example.
I also dont really feel there is a cut and dry solution to defeat the A&M offense. Its built to punish teams that have big, slow defensive ends and linebacker play while also testing the speed of teams secondaries on the perimeter. Either you have the speed or you dont. Forcing teams to show lots of dime packages and have 6 players in the secondary who can all run and cover is not prevalent on many rosters not named LSU or Alabama.
Furthermore this isnt a typical dink and dunk, UH, Texas Tech, West virgina ball control spread offense. A&M has big NFL style offensive lineman who can put a hat on Dlineman and pound the ball between the tackles. I cant recall a spread team that can truly play a tackle to tackle ground and pound type offense sprinkled in with an intermediate passing game.
.....with one of the few exceptions being the OU offenses of 99 - 01 when Leach was the Offensive coordinator. Im sure there are a few other examples Im missing but thats a pretty comparable example.
I also dont really feel there is a cut and dry solution to defeat the A&M offense. Its built to punish teams that have big, slow defensive ends and linebacker play while also testing the speed of teams secondaries on the perimeter. Either you have the speed or you dont. Forcing teams to show lots of dime packages and have 6 players in the secondary who can all run and cover is not prevalent on many rosters not named LSU or Alabama.
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Posted on 11/11/12 at 7:39 pm to bullard21k
Stopping A&M's offense isn't about scheme it's about skill, just like stopping Oregon's offense. LSU and Florida already showed how to do it, have really fast DE's. Manziel killed Bama by extending plays with his legs way more than the A&M scheme did. Against LSU when he tried that Sam and Kiki were right on his tail and he threw tow costly picks by trying to throw on the run under pressure. You stop him the same way you stop Tebow, make him beat you on down the field throws in the pocket
Posted on 11/11/12 at 7:47 pm to diddydirtyAubie
They will never figure it out. Our play calling a lot of times is very unorthodox. We do a bit of everything out of various formations. Sure there are some very good coaches in the SEC, but we have them as well. Kliff Kingsbury is one of the great young offensive minds out there and deserves coordinator of the year, IMO.
Posted on 11/11/12 at 7:56 pm to diddydirtyAubie
A good defensive coordinator like Chavis? About 1.5 quarters.
Posted on 11/11/12 at 8:02 pm to LSU1NSEC
No doubt teams will adjust and improve on stopping us, but we are only going to get better with more time in the system, more wrinkles uncovered, and not to mention, Johnny won't have to look over to the sideline every single play. Our offense has a lot of room to improve. Spurier came in with a wide open offense in the early 90's and he certainly had some sustained success.
Also, the talent level of our team is going to jump across the board in the next few years. We have some great players now in spots, but the defense and the skill positions on O are only going to get better.
Its really going to be fun to watch
Also, the talent level of our team is going to jump across the board in the next few years. We have some great players now in spots, but the defense and the skill positions on O are only going to get better.
Its really going to be fun to watch
Posted on 11/11/12 at 8:02 pm to Palooza11
I dont think a freshman QB playing in his 1st collegiate game, in a new conference is a very good example of how to shut down the A&M offense.
Manziel wasnt even running an offense at that point....more like he was running around frantically just trying to make plays and learn the speed of the college game on the run....literally
As hot as A&M is right now in addition to Manziel becoming more comfortable in the pocket I dont believe Florida would be nearly as effective as they were in game 1 of said freshmans career.
Its all academic now but the Florida game is just a bad example imo.
Manziel wasnt even running an offense at that point....more like he was running around frantically just trying to make plays and learn the speed of the college game on the run....literally
As hot as A&M is right now in addition to Manziel becoming more comfortable in the pocket I dont believe Florida would be nearly as effective as they were in game 1 of said freshmans career.
Its all academic now but the Florida game is just a bad example imo.
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