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How do you honestly see the SEC over the next few years?
Posted on 2/2/24 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 2/2/24 at 2:22 pm
Team by team outlook, as the league reorganizes and adds 2 new power players.
I'm trying to get a troll-free opinion on this
My take:
Alabama- I'd be nervous as hell. If Saban were there, I'd be comfortable saying Alabama would remain 1/1A. With a new guy unfamiliar with the league, and 2 new tough opponents, they could be in trouble. They're still gonna get everyone's A game because of the name, and I don't know that DeBoer is ready for that.
Georgia- they look good for the foreseeable future, as long as Kirby is there. Probably #1 or contend for it annually.
LSU- I'm comfortable, as a fan. LSU tends to do well based on talent, the new teams aren't affecting the recruiting base, and while I won't say Kelly is "the greatest", I think he's providing much-needed stability. We needed that after Orgeron, and during this expansion, at least until the dust settles on that part.
Florida- in big trouble. Serious step back from Mullen, who was an arse but still had some potential. Might be heading towards a Tennessee-type death spiral now.
Tennessee- interesting with the NCAA investigation. I thought they were recovering back to Top 10 status, but this may kill that momentum. Has to be hard for the fanbase.
Ole Miss- honestly think they might be on a make-break threshold. Could become a solid team, could collapse. That depends on Lane, who I believe might have misjudged the Alabama situation; MAYBE he's actually satisfied at Ole Miss, or MAYBE he didn't jump earlier because he was holding out to be Saban's successor. Still think there's a glass ceiling on that job, can be good but not elite.
Arkansas- this move might rejuvenate them; they always seem to be fired up playing Texas. Now that game means something again, they might be able to soak up the "non-Longhorn" Texas players and improve.
Texas- really hard to read. They can be very good, but tend to go off the rails with the boosters. Might be on their best behavior while integrating into the SEC, at which point they're gonna be a decent power.
Oklahoma- always seems to be solid. I think upper half of the SEC most years.
A&M- I think in trouble. Texas coming in steals some of their "want to play in the SEC" recruiting, and they're not established.
Auburn- I think on the upswing. They always seem to get a decent amount of talent, play UGA and Bama well, and generally they appear to think if the coach was good at Ole Miss, he'll be better at Auburn. Worked with Tuberville, I think it will with Freeze. Wonder if Kiffin regrets not going, now.
Mizzou- seems to straddle the average/good margin, most years. Another glass ceiling job.
I'm trying to get a troll-free opinion on this
My take:
Alabama- I'd be nervous as hell. If Saban were there, I'd be comfortable saying Alabama would remain 1/1A. With a new guy unfamiliar with the league, and 2 new tough opponents, they could be in trouble. They're still gonna get everyone's A game because of the name, and I don't know that DeBoer is ready for that.
Georgia- they look good for the foreseeable future, as long as Kirby is there. Probably #1 or contend for it annually.
LSU- I'm comfortable, as a fan. LSU tends to do well based on talent, the new teams aren't affecting the recruiting base, and while I won't say Kelly is "the greatest", I think he's providing much-needed stability. We needed that after Orgeron, and during this expansion, at least until the dust settles on that part.
Florida- in big trouble. Serious step back from Mullen, who was an arse but still had some potential. Might be heading towards a Tennessee-type death spiral now.
Tennessee- interesting with the NCAA investigation. I thought they were recovering back to Top 10 status, but this may kill that momentum. Has to be hard for the fanbase.
Ole Miss- honestly think they might be on a make-break threshold. Could become a solid team, could collapse. That depends on Lane, who I believe might have misjudged the Alabama situation; MAYBE he's actually satisfied at Ole Miss, or MAYBE he didn't jump earlier because he was holding out to be Saban's successor. Still think there's a glass ceiling on that job, can be good but not elite.
Arkansas- this move might rejuvenate them; they always seem to be fired up playing Texas. Now that game means something again, they might be able to soak up the "non-Longhorn" Texas players and improve.
Texas- really hard to read. They can be very good, but tend to go off the rails with the boosters. Might be on their best behavior while integrating into the SEC, at which point they're gonna be a decent power.
Oklahoma- always seems to be solid. I think upper half of the SEC most years.
A&M- I think in trouble. Texas coming in steals some of their "want to play in the SEC" recruiting, and they're not established.
Auburn- I think on the upswing. They always seem to get a decent amount of talent, play UGA and Bama well, and generally they appear to think if the coach was good at Ole Miss, he'll be better at Auburn. Worked with Tuberville, I think it will with Freeze. Wonder if Kiffin regrets not going, now.
Mizzou- seems to straddle the average/good margin, most years. Another glass ceiling job.
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 2:27 pm to Scoob
Seems like a pretty good analysis.
On the new additions, I'd bet on Texas being better in the short term but Oklahoma being better in the long term. Oklahoma just seems to be a much more stable program over the years.
Also think the 2 new additions will have just as much impact on LSU and Georgia as they will on Alabama.
On the new additions, I'd bet on Texas being better in the short term but Oklahoma being better in the long term. Oklahoma just seems to be a much more stable program over the years.
Also think the 2 new additions will have just as much impact on LSU and Georgia as they will on Alabama.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 2:30 pm to Scoob
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How do you honestly see the SEC over the next few years?
These next few years will be the most volatile in our lifetime, on and off the field. Instability and inconsistency are going to be the norm. It will be interesting to see who makes the jump into the new pro league.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 2:35 pm to Scoob
Will fall further behind the B1G in exposure, prestige, and revenue if they are stuck with ESPN.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 2:37 pm to BuckI
Posted on 2/2/24 at 2:42 pm to BevoBucks
quote:While I wasn't thinking "new pro league", it's certainly a possible outcome, and it's going to be more competitive than it had been.
These next few years will be the most volatile in our lifetime, on and off the field. Instability and inconsistency are going to be the norm. It will be interesting to see who makes the jump into the new pro league.
Like I said, as an LSU fan I'm happy with Kelly being in place. He's got a lot of experience, and right now I'm more concerned about keeping LSU's basement high, than pushing at the ceiling. There will be a new pecking order in the conference, and I see Kelly keeping LSU in the upper tier. You don't want to be doing what Florida is, not right now.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 2:45 pm to Scoob
We seem to be at a crossroads with Stoops. It feels like he's reached his ceiling. Winning 8+ games a year at Kentucky is no small feat. But st some point he's getting paid Top 10 money, we need to take that next step. If he can't do it, then we've shown we're serious about pay and upgrades...go find someone who can.
I'm a Stoops guy and overall pleased with his tenure. I'd like to see him take that next step rather than gamble on someone new. We gotta get this new OC hire right.
I'm a Stoops guy and overall pleased with his tenure. I'd like to see him take that next step rather than gamble on someone new. We gotta get this new OC hire right.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 2:48 pm to Scoob
Tennessee I think we’ll win this court case. The NCAA will be dead and Tennessee will be fine.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 2:49 pm to Scoob
quote:
While I wasn't thinking "new pro league", it's certainly a possible outcome, and it's going to be more competitive than it had been.
And I wasn’t trying to derail the thread. I just can’t look out past two years right now as it seems inevitable the entire landscape is about to dramatically change. Collective bargaining, players as employees, salary caps, drafts, etc.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 2:53 pm to Scoob
What about Vanderbilt?
Posted on 2/2/24 at 2:53 pm to UKWildcats
Stoops is a good coach no matter what Aggie says…
How’s the NIL in Kentucky? You have facility upgrades and Kroger looks nice…
I ask because I don’t know.
How’s the NIL in Kentucky? You have facility upgrades and Kroger looks nice…
I ask because I don’t know.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 3:31 pm to Scoob
KY>?
Vandy?
Nothing on MSU?
Vandy?
Nothing on MSU?
Posted on 2/2/24 at 3:41 pm to Razorback Reverend
State’s gotta steady the ship. I realize Leach’s death is not something you can control. But his tenure was sandwiched between two terrible HC’s with Moorhead and Arnett. Lebby is now the fourth different coach since 2018. Gotta get some stability in here, somehow.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 3:49 pm to Scoob
Over the next 5 years..
there are 15-20 spots in the playoffs up for grabs..
1. Georgia
(5/5 = 100%)
2. Texas, Alabama, LSU
(8/15 = 53%)
3. Oklahoma, Ole Miss
(3/10 = 30%)
4. Auburn, Missouri, A&M, TN, FL
(3/25 = 12%)
5. Arkansas, South Carolina, Miss State, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
(1/25 = 4%)
Not exact.. but I see the numbers falling kinda like that..
there are 15-20 spots in the playoffs up for grabs..
1. Georgia
(5/5 = 100%)
2. Texas, Alabama, LSU
(8/15 = 53%)
3. Oklahoma, Ole Miss
(3/10 = 30%)
4. Auburn, Missouri, A&M, TN, FL
(3/25 = 12%)
5. Arkansas, South Carolina, Miss State, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
(1/25 = 4%)
Not exact.. but I see the numbers falling kinda like that..
Posted on 2/2/24 at 4:05 pm to BigBro
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3. Oklahoma, Ole Miss
(3/10 = 30%)
That's pretty bold of you to think Okie won't make the playoffs at all.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 4:41 pm to Scoob
Mississippi State and Vandy are football garbage and that makes me happy.
I’ve been there before and it isn’t fun.
I’ve been there before and it isn’t fun.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 5:06 pm to Scoob
Dear Diary……
Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:03 pm to Scoob
Dilution of the brand.
Long time rivalries dissolved.
More decisions Iike less plays, more commercials.
Smaller crowds for many games, trophy travel prices for big games.
Consolidation of talent to 2 or 3 schools.
I think sports is an economic bubble. The people most interested in college sports are aging out of attending games. The next generation is not as wealthy, values their time more, and won’t settle for hot aluminum bench seating in early September. I think season ticket sales will decline for most programs. Bowl games may die off with playoff expansion.
Long time rivalries dissolved.
More decisions Iike less plays, more commercials.
Smaller crowds for many games, trophy travel prices for big games.
Consolidation of talent to 2 or 3 schools.
I think sports is an economic bubble. The people most interested in college sports are aging out of attending games. The next generation is not as wealthy, values their time more, and won’t settle for hot aluminum bench seating in early September. I think season ticket sales will decline for most programs. Bowl games may die off with playoff expansion.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:13 pm to Kashmir
Seems like the Alabama fans are the most negative in this post.
I said I wasn't trolling. I'm curious what y'all think. Not hope, but what you're thinking as OU and Texas enter, and shake things up.
I don't think DeBoer is a bad coach, and he's probably going to be fine long-term. But if it had been my team, I would have wanted-
A) Saban to take the program through expansion, and then retire once the new pecking order is set.
or
B) Retire 1-2 years earlier, so that the new guy is established prior to expansion.
B is where Kelly is. Is he better than DeBoer? Dunno; but we've figured out he isn't a disaster now.
If you're one of the SEC powers, you at least want to be at the point where OU or Texas comes to play you on your field, and quickly realize they ain't in the Big 12 no more.
I said I wasn't trolling. I'm curious what y'all think. Not hope, but what you're thinking as OU and Texas enter, and shake things up.
I don't think DeBoer is a bad coach, and he's probably going to be fine long-term. But if it had been my team, I would have wanted-
A) Saban to take the program through expansion, and then retire once the new pecking order is set.
or
B) Retire 1-2 years earlier, so that the new guy is established prior to expansion.
B is where Kelly is. Is he better than DeBoer? Dunno; but we've figured out he isn't a disaster now.
If you're one of the SEC powers, you at least want to be at the point where OU or Texas comes to play you on your field, and quickly realize they ain't in the Big 12 no more.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:15 pm to Scoob
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Tennessee- interesting with the NCAA investigation. I thought they were recovering back to Top 10 status, but this may kill that momentum. Has to be hard for the fanbase.
We're ecstatic. We're becoming the school that made sure everyone GOT PAID.
We're rock stars with recruits right now. This sham investigation and all the dominoes that it has toppled (and will topple) will make us a favorite place for recruits to consider.
You don't need to feel bad for us. Nico isn't going anywhere and the future is bright.
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