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re: Going forward CBs will have to jam bama WRs to slow them down.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 9:55 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Posted on 9/19/19 at 9:55 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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The only way to deal with Alabama is a zone defense and pray your guys can tackle in space.
I think this is why Aranda is running so many zone concepts early in the season and LSU DB's are going through growing pains. It's allowed opposing QBs and WRs to find the soft spots. LSU DBs are traditionally man on man with very little zone concepts. But prior to the bama game they are going to have to master these zone concepts in order to slow bama down.
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Posted on 9/19/19 at 9:55 am to SummerOfGeorge
quote:Don’t forget the Irv drop that still haunts my dreams.
Tua wasn't great, but he wasn't horrible.
22/34 (65%), 295 yards, 8.7 YPA, 2 TD/2 INT
Posted on 9/19/19 at 9:59 am to GeauxPack81
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Jamming WRs only works when you can actually do it successfully. Bama has 4 good WRs, and almost certainly one will beat press coverage every play.
That being said, it might be your best chance still. Be aggressive and send pressure and make Tua make extremely quick reads or force a ball.
I would just like to see a defense prevent bama's slot receiver (usually Smith) kept from crossing the middle of the field. That would be a good start for defenses facing bama.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:00 am to GumboPot
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I think this is why Aranda is running so many zone concepts early in the season and LSU DB's are going through growing pains. It's allowed opposing QBs and WRs to find the soft spots. LSU DBs are traditionally man on man with very little zone concepts. But prior to the bama game they are going to have to master these zone concepts in order to slow bama down.
I hate it (like most) but in most cases forcing teams to make the right read 9 plays in a row underneath is a good strategy compared to clamping down on everything with the possibility of giving up a big play to a complex offensive play that tricks someone (or an athlete that gets loose).
This is especially effective and appealing when you have total faith in your offense to score points.
I think most people who grew up watching SEC football understandably getting squeamish watching this type of defense (I sure do), but I think it kind of is what it is at this point.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:03 am to GumboPot
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I would just like to see a defense prevent bama's slot receiver (usually Smith) kept from crossing the middle of the field. That would be a good start for defenses facing bama.
That is the main reason that we've expanded a lot of stuff with throws to the RBs and wide quick hitters to make the defense spread and not be able to bunch up in the middle. It's also why Tua has been making so many of those throws the first few weeks.
Teams are playing deep in the back end and bunching the middle, which leaves quick hitches and swings. "Easy" throws, but efficient throws that are almost the equivalent of run plays and get athletes the ball with room to gain steam.
It'll be interesting to see what the better defenses we play down the line (A&M, LSU, Auburn) chose to do now that we've kind of made our adjustments to the Clemson scheme.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 10:04 am
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:06 am to GumboPot
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Jamming WRs only works when you can actually do it successfully. Bama has 4 good WRs, and almost certainly one will beat press coverage every play.
That being said, it might be your best chance still. Be aggressive and send pressure and make Tua make extremely quick reads or force a ball.
Of course it only works if you do it successfully. Working by definition is doing it successfully.
Disrupting timing is a necessary component to defending an elite passing attack. You do it by both pressuring the receivers and getting a pass rush.
None of that is new info for anyone on the sidelines in the NCAA, but the teams Bama has played so far just don't have the players to execute that plan. There are really only 4 teams in the country who have the horses to pull that off, and the Tide don't see one of them for another month and change.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:08 am to Arksulli
That's why guys like Patrick Peterson are so valuable. Can do both
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:09 am to Grim
What up baw? Where have you been
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:11 am to SummerOfGeorge
Just thinking out loud; teams facing bama just have to approach the game the same as NFL teams approach games each Sunday. Match them score for score on offense and on defense keep them honest between the 20's by playing zone and play the law of averages for an offensive mistake. Then man up in the red zone if you have the DB talent and make sure bama leaves with a maximum of 3 points on each drive. In general I'm sure that will be the approach from aTm, LSU and Auburn.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:13 am to GumboPot
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Just thinking out loud; teams facing bama just have to approach the game the same as NFL teams approach games each Sunday. Match them score for score on offense and on defense keep them honest between the 20's by playing zone and play the law of averages for an offensive mistake. Then man up in the red zone if you have the DB talent and make sure bama leaves with a maximum of 3 points on each drive. In general I'm sure that will be the approach from aTm, LSU and Auburn.
I think you are exactly right - and honestly I think that approach is basically how you almost have to treat all teams these days (at least the ones with elite QBs and good schemes). Pick your spots for blitzes and havoc plays, but in general your goal is to keep guys in front, tackle and make them matriculate down the field. Don't give away chunk plays in huge open spaces.
Like you said, NFL model. You win games in the red zone.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 10:15 am
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:14 am to GumboPot
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Oh, and I don't understand why linebackers don't clean up the WR's when they run these crossing routes.
Because under today’s rules you do that and you get to take the rest of the game and half of the next one off.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:15 am to GumboPot
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Oh, and I don't understand why linebackers don't clean up the WR's when they run these crossing routes.
Because they blinked.
Then the WRs are already gone.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:18 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I think that approach is basically how you almost have to treat all teams these days (at least the ones with elite QBs and good schemes). Pick your spots for blitzes and havoc plays, but in general your goal is to keep guys in front, tackle and make them matriculate down the field. Don't give away chunk plays in huge open spaces.
Like you said, NFL model. You win games in the red zone.
Yep.
Almost impossible to amass enough talent on D to stone an offense like Bama's. The WRs are too many and too good.
BTW, lots of good football discussion in this thread. Keep it going fellas.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:22 am to AlwysATgr
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Almost impossible to amass enough talent on D to stone an offense like Bama's. The WRs are too many and too good.
Same with Clemson and now LSU since they started running an offense that maximizes all their guys.
The only great equalizers are - (a) a corner who can shut down 1/3 of the field, shrinking things (of which there are maybe 1-2 a year in CFB, if any) and (b) a dominant front 4 pass rush that quickly shrinks the pocket without help from the back 7. If you have one of those, your options increase because you can be more creative without taking as much risk. But even then, there are tons of problems.
And, on top of all that, DBs get flagged for basically everything these days - so even if your guy plays solid 1 on 1 coverage there is a pretty good chance a decent throw will gain 15 anyway.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 10:23 am
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:26 am to GumboPot
jam em in the arse
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:26 am to GeauxPack81
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Be aggressive and send pressure and make Tua make extremely quick reads or force a ball.
Also rough when your release valve out of the backfield is this guy...
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:40 am to BamaGradinTn
Yeah but bama screens are really a slant and not a true screen. It is probably called ref assisted inelegible receiver down-field forward pass screen in Saban's playbook
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 10:41 am
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:45 am to skrayper
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I'm glad you posted this gif because it's demonstrates bama's WR philosophy of clogging up the middle with crossing routes. They do this all the time. 8 did a good job of getting into a tackling position when Harris wasn't even his responsibility but did a terrible job of tackling. But Harris was open when the weak side LB for USC helped with the crossing Smith. This is a perfect example of why defenses need to stop bama's slot receiver from crossing. If that would have happened USC's weak side LB would have been able to focus on Harris.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:46 am to yatesdog38
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ref assisted inelegible receiver down-field forward pass screen
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:48 am to yatesdog38
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ref assisted inelegible receiver down-field forward pass screen in Gus's playbook
Fixed.
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