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Going forward CBs will have to jam bama WRs to slow them down.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:08 am
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:08 am
That's the only way I see slowing down bama's passing attack. Sure you'll get beat sometimes but you are getting beat underneath anyway (looking at you USCe) and bama's talented WRs are taking it to the house by breaking or avoiding one tackle.
So pick your poison.
The easier poison to swallow is to play tight man to man and jam bama's receivers at the LOS. This will allow your DL a little more time to pressure Tua. But if your DL can't get pressure you're probably f'd and you might as well go back to soft coverage.
Oh, and I don't understand why linebackers don't clean up the WR's when they run these crossing routes. There are multiple opportunities to light these receivers up when they cross or cluster through the defense 5-10 yards down field but I see no defenses "cleaning up" this area as of yet. You don't necessarily have to light them up and get a personal foul penalty from the refs, just get in their way or hit them with a glancing blow to slow them down and get them off course.
So pick your poison.
The easier poison to swallow is to play tight man to man and jam bama's receivers at the LOS. This will allow your DL a little more time to pressure Tua. But if your DL can't get pressure you're probably f'd and you might as well go back to soft coverage.
Oh, and I don't understand why linebackers don't clean up the WR's when they run these crossing routes. There are multiple opportunities to light these receivers up when they cross or cluster through the defense 5-10 yards down field but I see no defenses "cleaning up" this area as of yet. You don't necessarily have to light them up and get a personal foul penalty from the refs, just get in their way or hit them with a glancing blow to slow them down and get them off course.
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Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:09 am to GumboPot
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bama's talented WRs are taking it to the house by breaking or avoiding one tackle.
Duvernay did this the entire second half to LSU
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 8:10 am
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:11 am to GumboPot
It seems in recent years, and I'm a grumpy old fart so take this with a grain of salt, that as defenses have emphasized speed and playing in space they've gotten away from the basics of solid tackling and disciplined play.
A lot of these big plays wouldn't happen if players used proper tackling form and wrapped folks up instead of letting them take off for another 20 yards.
A lot of these big plays wouldn't happen if players used proper tackling form and wrapped folks up instead of letting them take off for another 20 yards.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:17 am to Uhtred
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Duvernay did this the entire second half to LSU
I know.
Duvernay is a talented dude. LSU DB's couldn't wrap him up. This is just a function of the jimmies and joes. This battle was won on the recruiting trail. All a coach can do to help tackle a guy is teach tackling fundamentals in practice and implement schemes to put the DBs in position to make plays. There were many times where Delipt, Fulton and Harris were in position to make plays but just failed to execute against Duvernay.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:35 am to Arksulli
I agree. But the guys who can actually tackle cant get in position to make the tackle.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:36 am to GumboPot
Won't really help much when the refs let their OL block 10 yards down field on pass plays/screens. or their pick plays... same situation.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 8:38 am
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:40 am to GumboPot
Jamming them only works if they never get to break away. If they get past you it's 6! Well timed PI's may be the only option, 15 vs 50 + 6 points
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:42 am to Arksulli
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A lot of these big plays wouldn't happen if players used proper tackling form and wrapped folks up instead of letting them take off for another 20 yards.
When you have refs flagging the defensive players every time they make a good tackle (see Smoke Monday for Auburn), they get thrown out of the game too. The rules have changed to favor the offense big time. WRs don't fear going across the middle of the field anymore.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:42 am to Arksulli
well when you consider that not many are actually tackling to the ground in practice these days then you shouldn't expect great tackling on gameday.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:50 am to GumboPot
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That's the only way I see slowing down bama's passing attack. Sure you'll get beat sometimes but you are getting beat underneath anyway (looking at you USCe) and bama's talented WRs are taking it to the house by breaking or avoiding one tackle.
10/10 times a defensive coach will prefer to let the offense drive the field in 10 plays and score vs scoring in 1. There's 9 opportunities for the offense to make a mistake in that case.
The problem with pressing bama's receivers is that man for man the receiver will be better than the corner with few exceptions. Battles like Jeudy vs Fulton will be back and forth- but when you're asking your #4 guy to go stop Jaylen Waddle it's a problem. When you're asking your #2 guy to go stop Henry Ruggs it's a problem. The only way to deal with Alabama is a zone defense and pray your guys can tackle in space.
It isn't hyperbolic to state this is probably the best 1-4 WR corps in college football history. There are 3 sure fire first round draft picks in there and Smitty won't make it past the 3rd round. It's just going to be a lopsided position matchup against anyone
Posted on 9/19/19 at 9:11 am to GumboPot
There’s only so much a secondary can do these days, and that’s not just against Bama receivers. I think I saw a stat where the elite NFL corners still get beat roughly half the time when targeted. The rules and evolution of the game are just stacked against defensive players.
The best way to slow down Bama’s passing attack is to get to Tua and try to affect his comfort in the pocket. The secondary can help with this by mixing up and disguising coverages, with the goal of making Tua hold the ball for a split second longer than normal. This requires your secondary to really be focused, because it’s very easy to screw up an assignment when you’re doing all these creative coverages and mixing it up. This was the Clemson gameplan and they did an outstanding job of it, but they have the elite secondary players who were extremely well prepared to execute their plan.
Another issue with that gameplan is that it requires a ton of practice to get it right, and the playoffs may be the only occasion where you have that kind of extended preparation time.
The best way to slow down Bama’s passing attack is to get to Tua and try to affect his comfort in the pocket. The secondary can help with this by mixing up and disguising coverages, with the goal of making Tua hold the ball for a split second longer than normal. This requires your secondary to really be focused, because it’s very easy to screw up an assignment when you’re doing all these creative coverages and mixing it up. This was the Clemson gameplan and they did an outstanding job of it, but they have the elite secondary players who were extremely well prepared to execute their plan.
Another issue with that gameplan is that it requires a ton of practice to get it right, and the playoffs may be the only occasion where you have that kind of extended preparation time.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 9:16 am to GumboPot
Jamming WRs only works when you can actually do it successfully. Bama has 4 good WRs, and almost certainly one will beat press coverage every play.
That being said, it might be your best chance still. Be aggressive and send pressure and make Tua make extremely quick reads or force a ball.
That being said, it might be your best chance still. Be aggressive and send pressure and make Tua make extremely quick reads or force a ball.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 9:29 am to SD Tider
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The best way to slow down Bama’s passing attack is to get to Tua and try to affect his comfort in the pocket. The secondary can help with this by mixing up and disguising coverages, with the goal of making Tua hold the ball for a split second longer than normal. This requires your secondary to really be focused, because it’s very easy to screw up an assignment when you’re doing all these creative coverages and mixing it up. This was the Clemson gameplan and they did an outstanding job of it, but they have the elite secondary players who were extremely well prepared to execute their plan.
I think another way to stop Bama or potentially anyone is to go back to the bend but don't break style. Play a bit softer until the offense gets to the 30 or so, then get much more tight on them. The game is a game of touchdowns now. Field Goals aren't going to win you a lot of games in 2019. Scores aren't 10-7 very often (it still happens occasionally) so you need to score 7 to win big games.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 9:32 am to Buckeye06
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I think another way to stop Bama or potentially anyone is to go back to the bend but don't break style. Play a bit softer until the offense gets to the 30 or so, then get much more tight on them. The game is a game of touchdowns now. Field Goals aren't going to win you a lot of games in 2019. Scores aren't 10-7 very often (it still happens occasionally) so you need to score 7 to win big games.
That's basically what Clemson's general strategy was last year and it obviously worked to perfection with us laying an egg in all our red zone trips.
South Carolina seemed to try that strategy but wasn't able to slow us inside the red zone enough (and still gave up a couple big plays from outside the red zone).
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 9:34 am
Posted on 9/19/19 at 9:37 am to GumboPot
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That's the only way I see slowing down bama's passing attack. Sure you'll get beat sometimes but you are getting beat underneath anyway (looking at you USCe) and bama's talented WRs are taking it to the house by breaking or avoiding one tackle.
So pick your poison.
The easier poison to swallow is to play tight man to man and jam bama's receivers at the LOS. This will allow your DL a little more time to pressure Tua. But if your DL can't get pressure you're probably f'd and you might as well go back to soft coverage.
Oh, and I don't understand why linebackers don't clean up the WR's when they run these crossing routes. There are multiple opportunities to light these receivers up when they cross or cluster through the defense 5-10 yards down field but I see no defenses "cleaning up" this area as of yet. You don't necessarily have to light them up and get a personal foul penalty from the refs, just get in their way or hit them with a glancing blow to slow them down and get them off course
Idk if in the championship game last year clemson just had elite DB"s,clemson had an elite DL, Tua played a horrible game, Saban coached a bad game or a mixture of all of the above but they seemed to have them figured out. It seems like someone with the same talented Defensive players (looking at you LSU, UGA and maybe Auburn) COULD come up with the same gameplan and have some luck but your offense is going to have to perform as well and keep the D off the field. You can only have so much luck dealing with their offensive talent. This seems like the most beatable Alabama has been regular season in awhile.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 9:42 am to themicah85
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Idk if in the championship game last year clemson just had elite DB"s,clemson had an elite DL, Tua played a horrible game
Tua wasn't great, but he wasn't horrible.
22/34 (65%), 295 yards, 8.7 YPA, 2 TD/2 INT
Some mistakes in there and some misreads, but not horrible.
We moved the ball up and down field the between the 20s, but as noted above Clemson thought they could stop our RPO game inside the 20 and they did it every single time. We still beat them deep 1 or 2 times, but their strategy was flawless.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 9:43 am
Posted on 9/19/19 at 9:43 am to SummerOfGeorge
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That's basically what Clemson's general strategy was last year and it obviously worked to perfection with us laying an egg in all our red zone trips.
OSU's new DCs have implemented a matching zone concept, which sounds similar to what Clemson does. You play zone but instead of playing grass you play the man who gets into the zone. Allows OSU secondary/LBers to look at the ball more, but obviously if you can confuse the guy(s) in the zones then you can make big plays happen still, and there will always be soft spots in any defense (often up the seam with a TE in this concept)
Posted on 9/19/19 at 9:45 am to GumboPot
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Oh, and I don't understand why linebackers don't clean up the WR's when they run these crossing routes. There are multiple opportunities to light these receivers up when they cross or cluster through the defense 5-10 yards down field
Sure. Go ahead. Light 'em up.
Then watch Najee Harris have two TD catches out of the backfield again. Or more.
With Harris's increased involvement in the passing game last week, that leaves precious little opportunity for LBs to help out on WRs.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 9:47 am to yatesdog38
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Won't really help much when the refs let their OL block 10 yards down field on pass plays/screens.
They can block 20 yards downfield on a screen pass. Perfectly legal if the pass is behind the LOS.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 9:53 am to GumboPot
Do teams have 3 to 4 CBs capable of successfully jamming these guys at the line? That seems like a good way to get beat.
Teams will probably do what the good defenses did last year and try to keep everything underneath and hope Tua is too greedy to take what the defense is giving him.
Teams will probably do what the good defenses did last year and try to keep everything underneath and hope Tua is too greedy to take what the defense is giving him.
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