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re: General opinion of Kirby
Posted on 6/2/21 at 9:26 am to bamameister
Posted on 6/2/21 at 9:26 am to bamameister
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Didn't you interview him?
No, but our AD did.
After 2013 I was pretty happy we hired Gus over him (not that he necessarily would have taken the job). I have certainly changed my tune now.
But there's no guarantee he wouldn't have just left for UGA when Richt was let go anyway.
This post was edited on 6/2/21 at 9:30 am
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Posted on 6/2/21 at 9:27 am to bamameister
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2012 was better than both.
Negative. The depth was shite. Literally had less than 70 scholarship players, simply due to attrition being poorly managed.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 9:30 am to bamameister
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2012 was better than both. Aaron Murray threw for close to 4000 yards and some guy named Gurley was close to 1500 on the ground.
They also got killed by Carolina, barely beat Florida, and struggled beat Kentucky and Tennessee, so you are wrong.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 9:33 am to Crowknowsbest
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Negative. The depth was shite. Literally had less than 70 scholarship players, simply due to attrition being poorly managed.
This. Richt’s tenure ultimately came to an end in 2015 because he couldn’t manage a roster. No matter how good his starting 22 were, there was nothing behind it to avoid a notable drop off when injuries or fatigue set in. 2012 was a perfect example of that issue and Bama managed to expose it (nevermind that motivation for the 2012 team was slow going until Shawn Williams challenged his teammates manhood going into the Florida game).
Kirby vastly outclasses Richt both in terms of roster management and generally having the team hungry and motivated to play
Posted on 6/2/21 at 9:34 am to meansonny
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Jon Jenkins was the handful in the middle. After Jones was hurt, Kwame wasnt good enough to move (and we didnt have depth to begin with). We move Jenkins outside and by default make Kwame the starter. We got significantly worse at both positions because of Kwame's limitations. We were not a handful.
Bama ran for 350 and 3 scores. Averaged 7/carry.
Grantham's limitations in scheming to stop the run also played a factor.
Georgia wasn't playing chopped liver dude. The 2012 BAMA team had arguably the best offensive line of the Saban era and running the ball was what we did best when we made up our minds. It destroyed a Notre Dame defense that hadn't had a rushing TD scored on them all season. It was also the only National Championship team to go back to back. Ironically, it took a bomb to Amari Cooper to seal the deal in Atlanta. Barely.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 9:37 am to Leto II
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The only thing he hasn't done is win it all, and that's because he couldn't get past the best coach in CFB. And he damn near did get past him.
Ya, I’ll never understand the argument that Kirby is a bad coach because he wasn’t immediately better than the greatest coach of all time.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 9:44 am to bamameister
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Georgia wasn't playing chopped liver dude
You referenced how great UGA was. Not how great Bama was.
Kwame was not even an average college football player.
And our great player (jon jenkins) was at defensive end at 350 pounds without a sub.
And our defensive coordinator only had 1 bag of tricks to stop a running game... Bear defense. Any team that that could throw over the top could destroy us.
How great was tennessee in 2012? They ran for 200 yards, 3 scores, and put up 44 points. All because they could heave it to Cordarrelle Patterson and that broke our run defense scheme.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 9:51 am to RiseUpATL
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I post dumb shite...but true shite. It’s just dumb to you because you don’t like it. Which is why you resort to that kind of comment rather than refuting it with anything relevant.
lol nothing that you posted was true. It was literally all opinion or a massive reach.
“UGA players get to the league solely off their own talent and no development.”
Ok. What are you basing that on? Kirby had a 3* DB win the Thorpe award and become a 1st round pick. So no development there? Smart produced the second most draft picks in the SEC last year.
“Kirby can’t develop talent because a players father was disgruntled and the player transferred.”
So UGA is the only school to have players transfer? Kids transfer all the time now and usually schools that recruit well see more transfers.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 9:52 am to meansonny
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You referenced how great UGA was. Not how great Bama was.
I mentioned 5 players off the dawg squad of 2012. Hardly a comprehensive rundown to start with.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 10:07 am to RiseUpATL
Ummm, Nicky Saben's first 5 years as a D1 head coach
W-34
L-24
T-1
I think Kirby is doing just fine
W-34
L-24
T-1
I think Kirby is doing just fine
Posted on 6/2/21 at 10:14 am to TrendingRight
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General opinion of Kirby
Great recruiter, good coach. Very rarely do his teams not look ready to play but he tends to freeze a bit in close games against good teams. Hard to give him anything other than an A so far though. His two best teams ran against a great Alabama team in the NC game and a great LSU team in the SEC championship.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 10:22 am to Dawg4Life47
quote:Nah, just nah. You didn't really compare Kirby to Saban did you ? Georgia would kill to have won half of what Saban has. Y'all got 1980 though. That's better than aggy.
So has Saban multiple times.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 10:23 am to RedPants
quote:Hope is a dastardly mistress.
But he's on the stage. Only a matter of time, IMO.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 10:35 am to TrendingRight
A lot of hating and denigrating going on about Kirby. I don't understand any of it.
People want to define his coaching career by that 4th down play in the 2018 SECCG. That is ridiculous. Every coach out there has had plays blow up on them.
Kirby has upped the recruiting at Georgia beyond what anyone has done before. He sells his program as well as any coach in the country. His roster management far exceeds what Mark Richt was doing. Richt opened fall camp numerous times with less than 80 players on scholarship.
People forget that Georgia had a different O coordinator in 2019 and 2020. With another year at the helm Monken's offense should be better, especially with a legitimate D-1 QB at the position. Georgia was trying to make a go of it last year, up through the Florida game, with a walk-on QB. Bennett showed courage and heart but he is not an SEC caliber QB.
I don't get excited one way or the other about the new transfer guys coming in. They have a lot to adjust to and not much time to do it.
People want to define his coaching career by that 4th down play in the 2018 SECCG. That is ridiculous. Every coach out there has had plays blow up on them.
Kirby has upped the recruiting at Georgia beyond what anyone has done before. He sells his program as well as any coach in the country. His roster management far exceeds what Mark Richt was doing. Richt opened fall camp numerous times with less than 80 players on scholarship.
People forget that Georgia had a different O coordinator in 2019 and 2020. With another year at the helm Monken's offense should be better, especially with a legitimate D-1 QB at the position. Georgia was trying to make a go of it last year, up through the Florida game, with a walk-on QB. Bennett showed courage and heart but he is not an SEC caliber QB.
I don't get excited one way or the other about the new transfer guys coming in. They have a lot to adjust to and not much time to do it.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 10:36 am to FahQue
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I wonder how many B- coaches in their early 40’s have made it to NCG . Can anyone help me out here
Not sure about the rant’s grading schemes, but I’ll give it a shot. Each of these, let’s call it not A-list, coaches not just played for but won titles before age 45 (Kirby’s current age):
Danny Ford, Paul Dietzel, Johnny Majors, Dennis Erickson
These played for but lost:
Jackie Sherrill, Gus Malzahn
Multiple A-list coaches won titles at ages 45 or younger, including:
Bud Wilkinson, Barry Switzer, John McKay, Darrell Royal, Bob Stoops, Woody Hayes, Urban Meyer, Jimmy Johnson
Finally, these coaching giants won titles before they were 50:
Larry Coker, Gene Chizik, Vince Dooley, Phillip Fulmer
I think the takeaway here is that, so far, Kirby is closer to Gus Makzahn or Jackie Sherrill than he is to Urban Meyer or Bob Stoops. But, if he can get his act together, he may reach Phillip Fulmer or Larry Coker status.
This post was edited on 6/2/21 at 10:39 am
Posted on 6/2/21 at 10:36 am to bamameister
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I mentioned 5 players off the dawg squad of 2012. Hardly a comprehensive rundown to start with.
Lol
And picking 5 players on 2012, you included kwame geathers. Lol
All i need to know about your opinions on 2012.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 10:42 am to kajunman
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Nah, just nah. You didn't really compare Kirby to Saban did you ?
I think that point went over your head.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 10:47 am to bunkerhill
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Georgia was trying to make a go of it last year, up through the Florida game, with a walk-on QB.
Why do Georgia fans refer to Lil Stet as a walk on?
Posted on 6/2/21 at 10:49 am to lewis and herschel
About on par with Richt through 5 years though Richt had more SEC Titles and the same amount of division tiles. Kirby does have a NCG appearance and more major bowls.
However, had the playoffs been around in 2002, Georgia would have went to the playoffs. Also, it's easier to make a major bowl appearance these days then the early days of the Richt era. Back then there was 4 major bowls, with one of them the national championship. There are 6 major bowls now plus the national championship. The SEC usually on got 1 team in the BCS bowls back them, now the SEC will get 3 or 4 teams in the New Year's Six.
The 1st 5 years of the Kirby era are almost identical to the 1st 5 years of the Richt era.
In conclusion, Kirby=Richt
However, had the playoffs been around in 2002, Georgia would have went to the playoffs. Also, it's easier to make a major bowl appearance these days then the early days of the Richt era. Back then there was 4 major bowls, with one of them the national championship. There are 6 major bowls now plus the national championship. The SEC usually on got 1 team in the BCS bowls back them, now the SEC will get 3 or 4 teams in the New Year's Six.
The 1st 5 years of the Kirby era are almost identical to the 1st 5 years of the Richt era.
In conclusion, Kirby=Richt
This post was edited on 6/2/21 at 10:50 am
Posted on 6/2/21 at 10:51 am to bamameister
Yella Fella wasn't going to give Kirby the ONLY keys to the shop. Kirby was SMART to wait and go home to Mama. He is in high cotton and that cotton will only grow once Nick hangs up that straw hat.
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